ATV3 likelihood of increased WiFi speed

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by rikscha, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. rikscha macrumors 6502a

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    The current ATV2 connects to wifi n networks but only at a speed of max. 65mbit.

    What do you think is the likelihood of increased wifi speeds with the new ATV3?

    Especially if you are using ATV flash and trying to stream 1080p mkvs, you occasionally get a "buffering" message which annoys me.

    A doubling of the throughput would certainly fix that problem.
     
  2. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    Agreed, it always annoyed me how the iOS devices have crippled wifi N speeds. I understand it for the iPods, iPhones and iPads since they have limited power supply, but the ATV should connect at full speed. Wifi Syncing is always rather slow; it would be nice to have a speed bump. But given the fact that the new ATVs don't even have gigabit ethernet, I'm thinking the same chips are being used as in the previous generation. So don't hold your hopes up.
     
  3. blueroom macrumors 603

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    Converting your videos to H.264 will reduce the bandwidth required considerably. My ATV2 and iPad 1 have no problems whatsoever.
     
  4. rikscha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I know there are ways around it, but I still think they could at least double the throughput. I am not asking for the full 300mbit. It will certainly have to do with power consumption. I will get my 120mbit broadband now and cant use the full speed with the ATV2. Every mbit is appreciated especially when downloading 1080p content from the itunes store. Ethernet is not an option, they can scrap that anyway.
     
  5. blueroom macrumors 603

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    Apple's 1080i content is H.264 and highly compressed. It'll probably be around 1GB per hour of video which should present no problem for 802.11N
     
  6. maturola macrumors 68040

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    YOu sure you don;t have anything else affecting your network? I stream mkvs 1080p all the time, and i never get any buffering, i got a few the other day and I tough it was weird so i went and check and my other computer was downloading a patch (~4GB) so that's why my network was maxing out, otherwise it always stream just fine. My router is upstairs and the ATV is downstairs on te bedroom
     
  7. rikscha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    My apple tv is 30cm away from my router. It only happens very occasionally, mainly in very fast scenes (mostly massive action scenes) where clearly the bitrate is going up the roof. My mkvs are usually between 10-15gb and are being streamed from a time capsule.
     
  8. blueroom macrumors 603

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    Apple's unlikely to "fix" something that isn't broken. You've hacked your ATV2 in an attempt to get it to do something it wasn't designed to do.

    Why not just run your videos through Handbrake on the ATV2 setting?
     
  9. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    Or just patiently wait for ML, converting will no longer be necessary from that point on. If you can't wait, get the ML DPs.
     
  10. peterjcat macrumors 6502

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    Converting ahead of time will always give better quality than AirPlay Mirroring -- maybe much better.
     
  11. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    Depends on how good the encoding abilities of the new Ivy Bridge intel CPUs will be. If they can encode at 1080p, your TV wouldn't see any benefit of the pre-conversion.
     
  12. maturola macrumors 68040

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    I'm pretty positive it is something on your system, either on the network, maybe on the time capsule. I stream as i said same mkvs they are usually 15G up to 28ish GB and I never have loading issues unless my computer is doing something else (and even then that only happen to me once).
     
  13. peterjcat macrumors 6502

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    It does depend on that, but so far hardware encoding has been pretty unimpressive. And of course there's 1080p and there's 1080p.
     
  14. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    It does, but apparently the 1080p on the iTunes store that the ATV 3 can handle, according to an article today by Ars Technica is quite good. The ATV 3 hardware may well be capable of better than what iTunes delivers.
     
  15. Mike Valmike macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not sure they have to. Ever since the new ATV software update, I have had zero wireless stutters or skips, even for relatively fat 1080p BR rips, and this is on a "weak" ATV2 with downsampling in realtime to 720p! With less processing to do with the ATV3, I can't imagine it would perform any worse -- the data feed is visible when you start up a file and it's getting far more than enough throughput on wifi-n. I think the high profile fix was a bigger deal than we realized. Of course, this is feeding video to the ATV via iTunes as it was designed, not a jailbreak, so YMMV.

    I just hope ATV3 fixes the framerate! I want real 24fps, which my TV supports, not 30fps interpolating a 24fps source file. There are $45 blu-ray players that can do this right -- why can't Apple?
     
  16. rikscha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I havent updated to the latest version yet, this would break my jailbreak.

    I'll wait a bit and will then post again. new jailbreak should be on its way.
     
  17. peterjcat macrumors 6502

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    Unfortunately the screenshot in the Verge review of the ATV3 only shows 50Hz and 60Hz output options for 1080p... I hope 24Hz is something they can add in a software update.
     
  18. rikscha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    by now someone should be able to comment on increased wifi speeds! is it still connecting with max 65mbit?
     
  19. jps1012 macrumors 6502a

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    Do you know how to Check how my ATV 3 is connected to my router ? (G or N)?
     
  20. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    yes
     
  21. hafr macrumors 68030

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    My bet is you're using XBMC, could that be correct? XBMC doesn't buffer more than a few seconds, which means you'll constantly encounter problems with larger files. ATF Flash (black) buffers a bit more (not sure how much though) and doesn't encounter buffering issues very often, and even then only with bad connection. Using the native ATV2 media player, you'll "never" (maybe a movie with constant spikes from the first second will be a bit problematic) encounter these problems since it's going to use all available memory for buffering.

    So why would Apple want to fix a problem that only occurs when you a) use a software they don't want you to use to b) play content the ATV2 doesn't support?

    The 1080p content from the iTunes store probably have a lower bit rate than the 1080p mkv's you're playing (they're weighing in at around 4 GB), and considering how the ATV2 media player works, 65 Mbps is more than enough.

    You have the ATV2 30 cm from your router but ethernet is not an option, you've jailbroken your device, you're using third party software, you're playing content the device isn't made to handle... Dude. Really?

    Not to be a fanboy or anything, but this is just not Apple's problem.
     

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