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Australia Proposes Law That Would Compel Tech Companies to Decrypt Messages
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I fear you are correct.
It's not speculation, it's been widely reported from Snowden and Wikileaks. I have the attitude now that everything I do is watched and recorded so I don't do anything that might land me in trouble. I don't like it and I hate my politicians but I'm a realist and have to live with the situation.
[doublepost=1500047190][/doublepost]The other thing that annoys me with all this is statistically crime and violent crime especially is at the lowest rates in history. Less people are dieing to war and terrorism than ever but our governments obsess over this narrative of keeping us safe. From what?
The only danger I see is unchecked politicians, cooporarions and mass illegal immigration (which will lead to a rise in Islamic terrorism) - all things my government does zero to deal with.
I'm not scared of terrorism. I'm not scared of violent crime. I do not need you to violate my privacy to protect me.
Scaremongering designed to make us consent to more erosion of our right to privacy as individuals.
Ha, this is like back to Game of Thrones all over again.
Seriously, though, I do not need any government to protect me from other people, I just want to naturally get along. Do any governments facilitate this global human understanding? If not, they just foster more divisions for their own political & economic agenda.
(Emphasis added). "Where technically feasible" is the operative phrase here.
On a system that is properly using strong encryption, it will not be technically feasible for companies to bypass encryption. Apple's system is allegedly designed this way (of course, they could be lying - I'm not enough of an expert to be able to tell).
Makes perfect sense as soon as you forget the silly idea that their motivations are what they say they are.
If the real goal is to create excuses to crack down on the citizens, exercise a massive power grab, and establish totalitarian government with the people's blessing (until they find out, of course), then these policies seem to be working great.
Have you noticed that there don't seem to be any countries anywhere that are even giving lip service to liberty and democracy? There are totalitarian regimes and there are countries that are on the road to becoming totalitarian regimes. They're all moving at different speeds towards that goal, but they're all going in the same direction.
Bingo!
This is what Apple says, and I haven't heard of any security experts saying otherwise, so I'm inclined to believe it, but I don't understand how it is possible.
If I get a new device (Mac, iPhone, iPad, etc.) and I log in to iMessage, that device immediately starts receiving the same messages my other devices receive. How is the key distributed to that device if Apple doesn't keep it somewhere? I honestly have no clue how this can work if Apple is telling the truth.
I suppose I need to go back to college and take a few courses on cybersecurity.
Sadly, thanks to politicians that focus entirely on personal power, we're left with neither.
It's funny that you don't get upset about the ability of the government to walk into your house and go through every last thing you have, but see dangers to your privacy of them doing that to your electronic communications.
So who is scaremongering again?
Uh, no. It was pure speculation on the part of a left-wing UK newspaper, The Guardian, that the UK spied on US citizens inside the USA and shared the info with NSA.
The speculation arose because GCHQ noted that they had been of special help to the US when catching the Times Square bomber. Instead of properly deducing that they had shared information on foreign calls, the newspaper created a click bait claim that it must mean spying in the US.
Tin foil hat wearers took it from there and turned it into "fact".
But politicians will be exempt from this right?
Lets see how they quickly change their tune when someone gets into their "decrypted" stuff.
Lets see how they quickly change their tune when someone gets into their "decrypted" stuff.
We won't.
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I feel like you're a bit blind lol.
John Key is nothing like Turnbull and he's from National, not conservatives
I really dont get why this is so over the heads of Australia. Apple has made it very clear that they are incapable of doing what they want. So lets say they pass this colossal waste of time law. There are millions of Iphones out in the world now that this law would have no effect on. Further, what do they think, Apple will make a special "Aussie" only Iphone with encryption back door built in??? Also wont happen. I would love it if Apple just said,
"Ok, fine, sales of all Iphones going forward will NOT happen in Australia.We WILL NOT jeopardize encryption for the rest of the world because of you, nor will we be making a special phone only for your country."
Enjoy the massive black market you just created for for your citizens to procure Iphones.
"Ok, fine, sales of all Iphones going forward will NOT happen in Australia.We WILL NOT jeopardize encryption for the rest of the world because of you, nor will we be making a special phone only for your country."
Enjoy the massive black market you just created for for your citizens to procure Iphones.
Well, it's not totally fine which is why it's not happening. A small percentage of people game the system, but no one is letting in illegal immigrants without security checks.
Also of note is that immigrants are just people (surprising right?). They don't want to live in a wor torn country or be murdered any more than you do, but they are by orders of magnitude compared to westerners.
Can the government do this without my knowledge? Can they learn as much from my furniture and clothes as they can from my phone?
It seems to me the solution is to make sure there's more good guys with encryption.
First of all, there shouldn't be any "back doors" unless it's between consenting adults with lube...secondly, did Ted Stevens decide that the "series of tubes" that are the Internets, need auxiliary tubes? In case you haven't guessed, this is imo a stupid bloody idea...
I didn't realise someone's ****** living conditions trumps (no pun intended) my nations' sovereignty and laws?
The majority are economic migrants. Not refugees fleeing bombs and bullets. Also traversing through multiple safe countries to get to the one with the generous welfare state shows this isn't about fleeing for safety.
its not that they can't figure it out. they don't want to. they want to be able to get every bit and byte of data they can about any of us at any time. encryption screws with that goal. so they want things to be encrypted against everyone but them
meaning? The US population is roughly 12x Australia and roughly 3.5x the UKs...we do have Social Security. Also Medicaid/Medicare (for now). Yet we're hardly a "nanny state"...hell, we're barely holding together as a Country these days...Unless of course you mean (a) Prisons. Yeah, we're really good at those...or (b) Surveillance - which, as is the American way(tm) - is largely outsourced to private contractors. I will give you the fact the we seem to act like children more often than not...
I was being sarcastic in response to a rather misinformed ironic comment. All western societies are watched heavily by our governments. I see all too often Americans suggesting they are completely free while the rest of us are ruled by tyrant governments and it's total pants.
None, this is a completely different issue, the only commonality is Australia and Apple.
no not the USA.
research the term "nanny state" and you will understand what it really means and which countries are famous for it.USA is not there.it doesn't mean what you think.
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all western countries?
again, not true at all.
you are misinformed.
The USA is mentioned along with the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore etc etc so my point stands. Your government is as overprotective as ours whether you accept it or not?
This is 5 Eyes policy and will come to the US soon enough, as it's the US that dictates the policy.
Watch and learn.
UK is a notorious surveillance state.
Australians are laid back and notoriously do what we're told. We don't like it, but we won't do anything about it.
Do these two cases look like a trial run for the US and other 5 Eyes partners?
This is Australian citizens losing any protection for personal information, but proof governments will try this on anywhere in the world.
They know it's technologically inept, but don't care as long as they have unfettered access to massive amounts of data about people's lives.
"Where possible" is one terrorist attack from mandatory.
Watch and learn.
UK is a notorious surveillance state.
Australians are laid back and notoriously do what we're told. We don't like it, but we won't do anything about it.
Do these two cases look like a trial run for the US and other 5 Eyes partners?
This is Australian citizens losing any protection for personal information, but proof governments will try this on anywhere in the world.
They know it's technologically inept, but don't care as long as they have unfettered access to massive amounts of data about people's lives.
"Where possible" is one terrorist attack from mandatory.