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Australian Watchdog Wants iOS Users to Have More Control Over Preinstalled Apps

Vanexasa said:
Does Microsoft or Google have their own closed system?
I produce my computers (hardware), my operating system, my development environment, my servers, I don't enter anyone's market with one or the other, I live in my walled garden and I have my own rules, which part of all this is not clear?
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iOS is not a closed system so long as third party apps are allowed. If Apple kept it closed to only first party apps as it was when the iPhone was first released then yes they could do whatever they want with their platform. The second they opened it up to third party developers to sell apps on their platform then they've created a market that can and should be subject to regulation, just as Microsoft's practices were subject to regulation in the late 90's.
 
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bluecoast said:
So many people drinking the Apple kool-aid on this thread!

Apple are great, but it’s increasingly obvious that something is not right about their approach to payments & using their platform to push their own services through their stock apps.

There’s obviously clear issues with Apple controlling payment & promotion for its own apps in the App Store, Music, TV & Podcasts, primarily. It’s just not a level playing field.

And yes, Google and Microsoft do this too - Windows 10 is especially egregious in that regard & it’s wrong also.
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It’s like Walmart pushing Walmart brands in their store. Or Amazon promoting Amazon stuff in their store. A real abuse of power.
 
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jimbobb24 said:
It’s like Walmart pushing Walmart brands in their store. Or Amazon promoting Amazon stuff in their store. A real abuse of power.
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I think it is if you give special privileges to your products that others can’t have. For example, Overcast cannot integrate payments in their app - only Apple Podcasts can.
 
bradman83 said:
iOS is not a closed system so long as third party apps are allowed. If Apple kept it closed to only first party apps as it was when the iPhone was first released then yes they could do whatever they want with their platform. The second they opened it up to third party developers to sell apps on their platform then they've created a market that can and should be subject to regulation, just as Microsoft's practices were subject to regulation in the late 90's.
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Apple makes its own hardware, but unlike Microsoft or Google, Apple doesn’t offer its hardware or OS to third-party manufacturers and that makes a huge difference.
It’s not the same if someone invests billions in the development and production of their processors (A, M, S, T, W series) and the rest of the hardware lineup. They have their own operating system (iOS, iPadOS, watchOS) optimized for just that hardware and now they should what?
Offer all this for free use or by order of some government to others?

<- sarcasm
* But nooo! We want to do without investing in R & D, in hardware or in the operating system and we want to earn money from such a company.
* Oh, but Apple already offers you that (App Store).
* But, but we want people to buy apps from everywhere, not to pay Apple, Apple should not have their apps on their device. Well here is for example Microsoft or Google, etc.
-!>

But Apple is neither Microsoft nor Google, for the above reasons
Then McDonalds should offers hamburgers from other manufacturers in their restaurants, because they sell Coca-Cola.
 
jimbobb24 said:
It’s like Walmart pushing Walmart brands in their store. Or Amazon promoting Amazon stuff in their store. A real abuse of power.
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Or Safeway pushing Safeway brands in their store. Or Costco pushing Costco brands in their store.

Yeah, it's totally unheard-of and clearly illegal. :rolleyes:
 
Steve121178 said:
Please no more "choice screens". Anyone who lives in the EU will know how damn annoying that was when it came to browser selection on Windows.

Then there's the constant cookie warnings websites must display at every new visit here in Europe.

I don't want politicians to make our devices annoying to use. Stay out! People can easily select a browser or map app of their choice.
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Speak for yourself.
I’ll take the choice screen. Would love to delete all the crap I don’t use.
 
LFC2020 said:
I'd like the Australian watchdog to get us cheaper pricing on apple products, instead of wasting their time on this garbage.
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Interesting thought…here’s a comparison when adjusted for exchange rate and local taxes (in AUD)

MacBook Air M1 256Gb:

Thailand: $1,265 (-16%)
USA: $1,412
Australia: $1,499
Canada: $1,529
Ireland: 1,526
France: $1,583
Germany: $1,590
UK: $1,607
New Zealand: $1,630
Brazil: $3,086



iPhone 12 Pro 128Gb

Japan: $1,265 (-26%)
USA: $1,412
UK: $1,607
Germany: $1,618
France: $1,625
Ireland: $1,629
Canada: $1,647
Australia: $1,699
New Zealand: $1,770
Brazil: $2,373



11” iPad Pro Cellular 1Tb M1

S. Korea: $2,010 (-20%)
USA: $2,401
UK: $2,492
Australia: $2,499
Germany: $2,562
France: $2,573
New Zealand: $2,693
Brazil: $5,032



16” MacBook Pro i9 1Tb

Thailand: $3,457 (-16%)
USA: $3,955
Australia: $4,099
Canada: $4,018
New Zealand: $4,333
France: $4,484
UK: $4,502
Germany: $4,505
Ireland: $4,558
Brazil: $8,376


So it seems there is some disparity based on exactly what item you purchase. The only real rort seems to be the phones but even those are very close to the larger EU countries.
 
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theotherphil said:
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Interesting thought…here’s a comparison when adjusted for exchange rate and local taxes (in AUD)

MacBook Air M1 256Gb:

USA: $1,412
Australia: $1,499
Canada: $1,529
Ireland: 1,526
France: $1,583
Germany: $1,590
UK: $1,607
New Zealand: $1,630
Brazil: $3,086
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iPhones, iPads, 16" MacBook Pro, Paying a crap load more. 🤦‍♂️

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Td1970 said:
That will take you 2 days? Maybe a minute. Talk about a first world problem.
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Every browser.
Every email app.
Every calendar.
Every clock.
Every messaging app.
Every stocks app.
Every weather app.
Every camera app.
Every map app.
Every contacts app.
Every music app.
Every storage app.
Every notes app.
Every todo app.
Every calculator app.

In random order to be “fair”.

Can you set up the phone quickly? Sure, choose the first option for each.
Who cares if its a terrible app.
Who cares if its a privacy nightmare.
Who cares if it doesn’t work with the other apps I’ve had to install just to start using my device.

You have forced an inferior and compromised experience on EVERYONE because you are either:

A) Too entitled to just buy an Android phone which already lets you do exactly what you want with apps
B) Too lazy to download different apps from the App Store yourself.

You want to take away two of the key benefits iPhone and Apple offer
- A cohesive environment
- Quality of apps

Do you really not understand that many if not most iPhone users choose them BECAUSE they prefer Apples apps and Apples approach? Do you really not understand we PREFER it that way? You don’t. No problem. Buy an Android. Install other apps if you want. Just stop trying to break the experience the rest of us have freely chosen just to get it your way (this ain’t a Burger King/Hungry Jacks).

Just because you WANT something doesn’t mean someone has to give it to you. It’s ridiculous you Apple haters don’t understand that. What an entitled way to live.
 
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Krizoitz said:
Every browser.
Every email app.
Every calendar.
Every clock.
Every messaging app.
Every stocks app.
Every weather app.
Every camera app.
Every map app.
Every contacts app.
Every music app.
Every storage app.
Every notes app.
Every todo app.
Every calculator app.

In random order to be “fair”.

Can you set up the phone quickly? Sure, choose the first option for each.
Who cares if its a terrible app.
Who cares if its a privacy nightmare.
Who cares if it doesn’t work with the other apps I’ve had to install just to start using my device.

You have forced an inferior and compromised experience on EVERYONE because you are either:

A) Too entitled to just buy an Android phone which already lets you do exactly what you want with apps
B) Too lazy to download different apps from the App Store yourself.

You want to take away two of the key benefits iPhone and Apple offer
- A cohesive environment
- Quality of apps

Do you really not understand that many if not most iPhone users choose them BECAUSE they prefer Apples apps and Apples approach? Do you really not understand we PREFER it that way? You don’t. No problem. Buy an Android. Install other apps if you want. Just stop trying to break the experience the rest of us have freely chosen just to get it your way (this ain’t a Burger King/Hungry Jacks).

Just because you WANT something doesn’t mean someone has to give it to you. It’s ridiculous you Apple haters don’t understand that. What an entitled way to live.
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Whose a hater. I use Apple exclusively. But I dont agree with all of their opinions.
You sound far more entitled than anyone else posting here. 🙄
 
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velocityg4 said:
This is a no lose topic for politicians. Which they love. They'll get lots of "lobbying" from affected parties. They can get some press coverage to keep their names in voters minds. But in the end. It doesn't matter how they vote. As it won't affect the outcome of the next election. Since virtually none of the voters will really care, let alone remember, how a politician voted on a non issue like this.
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I believe the ACCC is not a political function.
 
Td1970 said:
Whose a hater. I use Apple exclusively. But I dont agree with all of their opinions.
You sound far more entitled than anyone else posting here. 🙄
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Riiiiight, I’m sooo entitled for thinking Apple shouldn’t be forced to cater to the demands of every whiny little person who wants everything their way. Makes perfect sense 🙄
 
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s1m said:
They still need the same regulation in a duopoly potentially.
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A duopoly is not a monopoly, why would it make sense to regulate them the same way? The whole issue with a monopoly is single entity control, meaning no competition or choice. A Duopoly doesn’t have those problems unless there is collusion between them. Android and iOS offer very different models so consumers absolutely have choice and there are numerous phone models of varying shape and size and price so choice is quite prevalent.
Some things need regulation, absolutely. But the AppStore is not remotely one of them.
 
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Krizoitz said:
Riiiiight, I’m sooo entitled for thinking Apple shouldn’t be forced to cater to the demands of every whiny little person who wants everything their way. Makes perfect sense 🙄
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Yet here you are whining about someone haven go a different opinion. Lol

enjoy
 
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