AW3 LTE Watch (Apps over WIFI, PHONE OFF)

Senfinger

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Apple originally thought I was having a hardware issue with my watch not working over wifi.

The scenario is I turn off phone, AW shows its connected to wifi however no apps work... like they are still looking for the phone? I get the red phone icon with slash etc...

This is the case with Native Mail, Instagram etc... Second watch/Same issues- so it doesn't appear to be hardware related. Why is this? Series 0, 1, and 2 supposedly works over wifi no issues for all apps right?

Why would this not work?
[doublepost=1508339901][/doublepost]Same thing obviously happens/occurs over LTE as well...
 

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Apple originally thought I was having a hardware issue with my watch not working over wifi.

The scenario is I turn off phone, AW shows its connected to wifi however no apps work... like they are still looking for the phone? I get the red phone icon with slash etc...

This is the case with Native Mail, Instagram etc... Second watch/Same issues- so it doesn't appear to be hardware related. Why is this? Series 0, 1, and 2 supposedly works over wifi no issues for all apps right?

Why would this not work?
[doublepost=1508339901][/doublepost]Same thing obviously happens/occurs over LTE as well...
No. Series 2 got the same problem. My AW3 LTE the same. Without iPhone connected and online, no mails, no sms. Doesn't matter if iPhone is miles away, it MUST be on and online. If you look on apple webpage "what can the watch do without iPhone" there's no mail icon, so that seems to be a feature and not a bug ;-)
 
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Apple originally thought I was having a hardware issue with my watch not working over wifi.

The scenario is I turn off phone, AW shows its connected to wifi however no apps work... like they are still looking for the phone? I get the red phone icon with slash etc...

This is the case with Native Mail, Instagram etc... Second watch/Same issues- so it doesn't appear to be hardware related. Why is this? Series 0, 1, and 2 supposedly works over wifi no issues for all apps right?

Why would this not work?
[doublepost=1508339901][/doublepost]Same thing obviously happens/occurs over LTE as well...
wait! ........

For the apps to work in that scenario they need to be native apps. many apps were built back when they were all remote apps (need the handset connected to work) I wish more of the developers would revamp their apps and make them Native! there are some good native apps! (CARROT Weather, Watch Player, and others that I can't think of) .... :)
 
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wait! ........

For the apps to work in that scenario they need to be native apps. many apps were built back when they were all remote apps (need the handset connected to work) I wish more of the developers would revamp their apps and make them Native! there are some good native apps! (CARROT Weather, Watch Player, and others that I can't think of) .... :)
Those apps are native apps, but where do you think they pull their information from?
 
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I thought the Apple Native Mail App (Was considered truly Native)? I'm ok with things like Instagram etc... and music until they make a offline/ WiFi&LTE capable version but Native Mail Pull over Wifi/LTE?
 

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Apps that work with your phone turned off and the watch connected to WiFi or LTE (here’s what I’ve found so far!)

WatchPlayer (download new episodes over LTE/WiFi)
Shazam
Home
Bear
Calendar
CBS News
CNN
Dictionary
Drafts
Find Friends
Just Press Record
Maps
Messages (no SMS, just iMessage)
Micropolis
Music (soon will have streaming)
News
OmniFocus (syncing needs to happen with iPhone around, but can still access to dos and add new ones)
PCalc
Phone
Photos
Pong
Reminders
Stocks
Thermo Watch
Twisty Color
Uber (yes you can summon Ubers over just LTE)
ViewRanger
Weather

Obvious Ones:
Alarms
Activity/Workouts
Breathe
Heart Rate
Stopwatch
Timer
Wallet
World Clock
 
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I thought the Apple Native Mail App (Was considered truly Native)? I'm ok with things like Instagram etc... and music until they make a offline/ WiFi&LTE capable version but Native Mail Pull over Wifi/LTE?
I'm not sure about the mail app as I use Spark...

iMessages (Blue bubbles) work great Native. SMS (green guys) need the handset to be turned on and connected to the carrier network to send. SMS is a voice control channel item oddly not data (very old school)
 
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I'm not sure about the mail app as I use Spark...

iMessages (Blue bubbles) work great Native. SMS (green guys) need the handset to be turned on and connected to the carrier network to send. SMS is a voice control channel item oddly not data (very old school)
Is Spark Native yet? Thanks to all of you for your input = )
 
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Is Spark Native yet? Thanks to all of you for your input = )
sorry about the late reply! I was out raking a lot!

The cool think about the SMS issue is you can have the handset turned on and connected in New York and send a SMS in Paris using your Apple Watch. When you send a SMS with your watch the watch queries iCloud to see if a voice device is running and connected and then it is sent!
 
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Native Watch apps operate the same as all Handset apps. The Non Native Apps pull their data from the Handset using Bluetooth.
Native watch apps are simply apps running their logic on the Apple Watch rather than their phone. That doesn’t change if they’re retrieving information from the phone or from a network at all.

Instagram and Mail sync information to the Watch. They’re native applications because all the app logic is processed on the Watch, but they still sync their information from the phone. Outlook does this too.
 

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Native watch apps are simply apps running their logic on the Apple Watch rather than their phone. That doesn’t change if they’re retrieving information from the phone or from a network at all.

Instagram and Mail sync information to the Watch. They’re native applications because all the app logic is processed on the Watch, but they still sync their information from the phone. Outlook does this too.
To be a Apple Watch Native App the App must fully function/operate with the iPhone turned off.