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Heart rate recording is something that I am interested in.

I use apps: HeartWatch (first image) and Heart Analyzer (following images). Warning - I am not in shape or a healthy person.

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Looks like my Apple Watch Ultra 3 checks for heart rate every 5 mins. (I have a desk job and spend a lot of time reading in my free time). I wear my watch all day/night.

I know when my AWU3 checks for heart rate I get a VERY bright green light that sometimes lights up the room if my watch isn't sitting right - at night. Can't imagine this going off all the time.
 
I know when my AWU3 checks for heart rate I get a VERY bright green light that sometimes lights up the room if my watch isn't sitting right - at night. Can't imagine this going off all the time.

With Garmin it is happening all the time. It's not extremely bright, and I can only spot it by chance during the night (in saver mode, for those wondering).

As for the screens you showed, especially this one:

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the graph is a guesstimate - you can't build a meaningful graph with trends based on points taken every 5 min - hence why Apple themselves show HR as a bar graph. They don't know what's happening in-between, and in 5 min your HR can be up and down by a lot. They most likely assume that majority of population leads a sedentary lifestyle hence it's ok to take shortcuts like that and it would still might give some sort of ballpark figure that won't be fundamentally wrong, but it's not as accurate as it should be, given what's possible with the sensors but into the device.
 
Picking your poison with this one. Both deliver partial heart rate data using a mediocre method in a poor location to the end user and both explicitly say its not to be used for as medical purposes for that reason.

During high activity both watches operate similarly constantly recording heart rate at their high frequency modes (200hz) however the Garmin refreshes the screen per second. Since BPM is the average beat per minute delivering data that fast isn't very beneficial.

During inactivity the Apple Watch will sample using its high frequency (200hz) based on movement and/or time if completely inactive to conserve battery. This is to record resting heart rates and calories burned from low activity. Gaps in data are introduced due to lack of recording.

Garmin will sample using a low frequency mode (I've read anywhere from 0.1 - 20 hz) based on activity to converse battery. This records resting heart rate and such. Gaps in the data are introduced due to lack of frequency of the sample rate.

Both have very similar results, which is a not precise but good enough heart rate for tracking trends with fitness and heart wellness.

I do feel there is good reasons to pick one watch over the other however I don't feel heart rate is one of them.
I have both AWU3 and the F8 Pro. I only use both of them as a guide to if I need to take my HR properly. On the day I was diagnosed with AFib my Garmin was reading 80bpm while the nurse said it was actually too high to count (ECG eventually showed 150+). As you say not really for medical purposes
 
I returned my ultra soon after it arrived and went back to a Ti AW. The Ultra was too big and bulky for a few extra features that I will never use. I only use about 25-30% of my battery each day so my S11 Ti is more than enough.
 
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I agree with this. It's a big, heavy watch! Got a series 10 and life is good now.
I actually love the form factor. It's neither big nor heavy, it fits my wrist perfectly. And it feels like a premium watch.
I'm testing it against Garmin, out of curiosity. Will give it a few months before I make a decision. I like the convenience of the phone on the wrist. But I don't like the clearly subpar health tracking metrics (at least at this early stage, there are some metrics which require multiple days of data to populate). And no cycling VO2max, when I have the power meter i.e. all the hardware required to allow them to calculate VO2max number. Give me a break :D
 
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Anyone who thinks an AW is any more than a cheap looking little toy box full of bells and whistles needs to see a doctor.


Man Apple really suckered a bunch of people. All this time people thought that it actually was a useful product. They tricked us all!


Thanks for shedding light on this. I'll be starting my class action lawsuit against Apple tomorrow using your post as all the evidence I need.
 
One of the main differences between the AWU and the Garmin Forerunner/Fenix range, is when HRV & RHR readings are taken. Garmin take both of them, whilst you are sleeping, whereby Apple take the RHR during the period when you are NOT asleep, and HRV is measured around the time you wake up, or when you use the mindfulness app. Apple also measure HRV using a different algorithm than all the leading fitness watch brands.

So many, including myself, get a shock when making the switch, as my RHR went up 12 beats, and my HRV dropped below 30! I've tried using Athletic and Bevel, and, for me, all they do is bring the AWU3 up to Whoop Band metrics.

As someone who has recently undergone some major surgery, I will keep wearing my AWU3 until I get the all clear to commence running (will be 12 weeks approx of no running), and will start using my Fenix 8 again, set up as new, to plot my progress back.
 
And no cycling VO2max, when I have the power meter i.e. all the hardware required to allow them to calculate VO2max number.
Right, I hope that's coming, for the specific case of a power meter connected to the watch or phone. If they have the power data and heart rate data, cardio fitness should be something that can be calculated.
 
Right, I hope that's coming, for the specific case of a power meter connected to the watch or phone. If they have the power data and heart rate data, cardio fitness should be something that can be calculated.
I hope so too, at the moment my AW walking based VO2 max puts me in extremely unhealthy, when my Garmin cycling VO2max has me in fit AF. :cool: Having just finished a 3 hour ride at 200W+ average I think Garmin is closer to the truth.
 
One of the main differences between the AWU and the Garmin Forerunner/Fenix range, is when HRV & RHR readings are taken. Garmin take both of them, whilst you are sleeping, whereby Apple take the RHR during the period when you are NOT asleep, and HRV is measured around the time you wake up, or when you use the mindfulness app. Apple also measure HRV using a different algorithm than all the leading fitness watch brands.

So many, including myself, get a shock when making the switch, as my RHR went up 12 beats, and my HRV dropped below 30! I've tried using Athletic and Bevel, and, for me, all they do is bring the AWU3 up to Whoop Band metrics.

As someone who has recently undergone some major surgery, I will keep wearing my AWU3 until I get the all clear to commence running (will be 12 weeks approx of no running), and will start using my Fenix 8 again, set up as new, to plot my progress back.
Why do you want to stick to AWU3 for post surgery recovery? What does it do that Garmin can't, in this scenario?

As for the differences, absolutely! That's my biggest gripe with AW. RHR stands for resting heart rate, the only time I'm truly resting is when I am asleep. And that is visible in the HR graphs. Apple thinks that when I don't move I rest, when I might be sitting in front of a computer in a mentally draining task with stress levels through the roof (something that I can easily track with Garmin) and elevated HR. I'm certainly not resting there! And HRV readings have more gaps than good Swiss cheese. When Garmin does beautiful tracking of HRV during sleep, showing precisely how I recover after hard workout. When AW sleep tracking congratulated me for going to bed on time, when the time was about 1hr after when I should have gone to bed, I only moved the sleep period to delay the alarm by 1 hour. Great, meaningful sleep metrics there, Apple!

And don't get me started on the Health and Fitness apps. Takes a genius to come up with an idea to have 2 apps for one subject. If I want to have a holistic overview I need to pick some pieces from one and combine it with the other. Both of which are light years behind Garmin Connect (which also can be accessed via web).
 
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Why do you want to stick to AWU3 for post surgery recovery? What does it do that Garmin can't, in this scenario?
Should have clarified this.
1. Abnormal Heart Rhythms feature
2. Started wearing it immediately post surgery (for its smart phone features) and so it has trends.
3. The ability to list medications in health app, and get reminders
4. Mindfulness app allowed me to create a schedule to do a couple of minutes of deep breathing, each hour (important part of post sternotomy)
5. Logging walks, which is easier to do on AW, and doesn’t mess up fitness metrics.
6. Apple Fitness + to do related cardiac rehab exercises (3 months free as a Strava subscriber)

I have to wait 12 weeks before I can run, whereby I’ll set up a run/walk program to facilitate my return.
 
Should have clarified this.
1. Abnormal Heart Rhythms feature
2. Started wearing it immediately post surgery (for its smart phone features) and so it has trends.
3. The ability to list medications in health app, and get reminders
4. Mindfulness app allowed me to create a schedule to do a couple of minutes of deep breathing, each hour (important part of post sternotomy)
5. Logging walks, which is easier to do on AW, and doesn’t mess up fitness metrics.
6. Apple Fitness + to do related cardiac rehab exercises (3 months free as a Strava subscriber)

I have to wait 12 weeks before I can run, whereby I’ll set up a run/walk program to facilitate my return.
Good clarification. What do you mean by walks not messing up fitness metrics? Outdoor walks calculate VO2max...
 
Good clarification. What do you mean by walks not messing up fitness metrics? Outdoor walks calculate VO2max...
I’m not particularly interested in my VO2 Max during the first 12 weeks of recovery, and I’m not logging my walks, anywhere but Apple Health.
If I use Garmin, it will fill my account with walks, and then send them to Strava!
I don’t record walks ordinarily.
 
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I’m not particularly interested in my VO2 Max during the first 12 weeks of recovery, and I’m not logging my walks, anywhere but Apple Health.
If I use Garmin, it will fill my account with walks, and then send them to Strava!
I don’t record walks ordinarily.
Makes sense. I don't use my Garmin for walks either!
 
Interesting thread.

I owned the original Apple Watch for a few versions and then went to a Garmin Fenix 5x, it was a nice upgrade. I was more into the fitness data than having a tiny iPhone on my wrist. Then I got the Epix Pro gen 2 and it's a great watch. The sensor is fantastic, though it never matches what I get at the doctor's officer with their finger pulse device, it's good enough to know which way I'm heading. I also like the HRV, stress, body battery, training readiness, etc. I like how, depending on how I"m ebbing and flowing with fitness, I can get varied workouts based on my recovery and current stats.

I also have an edge 1050 (+ speed / cadence sensors), HRM Pro+, HRM 600, Index scale, Index blood pressure, Index sleep (though its a giant POS), and sadly Connect+ (I thought it would be way different than it is, its useless).

I've had a couple of issues with the Epix and Garmin support used to be helpful but not so much anymore, so I decided to 'upgrade' to the Fenix 8 Pro and that watch sucks. Its ambient light sensor for auto dimming means if you're in a lowly lit room, like with a TV and a lamp on, but its dark near the watch, the watch will be so lowly lit you won't be able to see anything. Also, the complication data (HR, body battery, weather, steps, etc.) is smaller than it was on the Epix Pro gen 2, even though the screen is the same physical size and has a higher resolution. Plus the watch faces aren't nearly as customizable - on the Epix you can customize hands, dials, data, etc, on the Fenix 8 Pro you can only customize data and colors.

Garmin makes a watch you can't read what's on the screen - what kind of user experience is that?

So I grabbed an Apple Watch Ultra 3 and an Oura ring, to kind of cover the bases that Garmin was giving me all those years.

They left A LOT to be desired when you're used to glancing at your wrist and seeing your step count / HR, like sometimes I'll go for casual walks and like to see my HR as it relates to what I'm doing that day, I've been thinking about how my HR is impacted by being in a fasting state vs not with low zone 2 stuff (its always lower when fasted) and other things like that.

The Apple Watch even with the oura complications were slow to update, there's no complication to get the number of steps, you have to keep tapping into stuff if you want your current step count or live heart rate.

So I returned the Ultra 3, Oura ring and Fenix 8 Pro and went back to my somewhat faulty Epix. Garmin released an update for it that bricked some of the complication data so I'm waiting until that's fixed and then doing a hard reset to see if it fixes any of my accelerometer issues, if not and Garmin support won't help me still, I'll just buy a new Epix Pro gen 2 and wait out the next Fenix. Apple Ultra watch or check out SUUNTO or Cronos or whatever else is out there.

IMO Garmin has been going down hill lately though and I think they're coasting on their reputation, Connect+, Index Sleep Monitor and Fenix 8 / 8 Pro, all have substantial value prop issues and their customer support is not close to what it used to be, I think they're 'better' today but can't see myself continuing to invest in their ecosystem if the next generation of products don't turn it around.
 
Interesting thread.
Interesting comment, and pretty much on point with my experience with AW3. I love the phone on the wrist factor, but the health metrics are absolutely not there and the sleep score is just a piss take. I'm waiting for Garmin to release the whoop band competitor and then will keep wearing that plus the AW3 for phone tasks.
 
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I've had an Ultra 2 in Silver since 2022. I loved it but in 2023 the black version showed up. I always wanted one but I held back on buying one since it was just a color update and nothing else. When the Ultra 3 came out a few months ago I went ahead and got one in black...
I really regret it. After using the Ultra 2 heavily for over 3 years, there was not a scratch on it. At least that I can see...
The 3 month old Black Ultra 3 is already showing painted off areas specially on the bezels. I am really pissed off since it's supposed to be the G-Shock of Apple Watches...
I also have issues with my orange iPhone 17 Pro Max showing some scuffs on certain areas. Nothing major but it still bothers me...
I realize now that any painted metal is going to have an issue... No matter the device...
Clearly shows why car wheels are silver... I have black wheels in my car and any scuff shows right away...
Otherwise the Ultra 3 is super bright and the extra screen size is welcome, although I would like a smaller bezel in the future.
Cheers
 
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One more thing... Gestures... I love the finger tapping thing and I use it all the time but it is too limited. I tried the Acessibilty option which lets you do a lot more but it is just too much...
I wish there was an in-between option to double tap, and close your fist to select or OK things...
A stripped down version with one tap, double tap and triple tap like my AirPods Pro 3
 
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