Pain shmaine....
It's easy. Use that dvd extractor to rip the image. Don't extract the mpeg2 files or anything. Just go to "save as" in the menu and save the dvd image. You can't just use disc copy because, like arn says, they are encrypted. What this program does is create an exact image file of the dvd (bypassing the encryption). And this new image is not encrypted itself. Anyway, as long as the dvd image ends up being 4.7 gigs or less, just drag it into toast and burn away. The only pain is, it takes about an hour to rip and an hour to burn. But two hours is not bad at all for a (ahem) "Back-up" dvd.