Before I get started, I am typing this on a Quad Xeon Intel Mac Pro [which I think is a great machine], so I am in no way a windows fanboy, etc. My problem, however, is with Apple's notebooks. In a word, they suck. As much as I did not want to admit it to myself, I've come to the realization that they are not worth owning. Why? Because they are too bloody HOT. A trip to any Apple store will dispel all doubt. Just lay your hands on any one of their display machines -- machines that get some use on a continual basis (I will not enumerate the denizens of the various Apple stores, suffice it to say that these machines are almost always being used by someone...). Consequently, this is the best enviornment to show their true thermal characteristics as it reflects my normal power user computing profile. How tempting it was to not believe all the bad press about melting keyboards, especially when faced with a nice lukewarm Microcenter display macbook -- the fact that it was in sleep mode all day barely sets off the alarm bells -- After all it looks so pretty, surely people were overstating the 70-90C...? But no, having actually ordered a C2D macbook a few months back, I discovered the awful truth. Apple makes s**t notebooks. For a week I suffered through the smc fan control, etc, but I couldn't help worrying about the MTBF for a fan running above 3k rpm continuously -- especially when this is well outside of it's design parameters. So I returned it and bought a Mac Pro -- but this doesn't take care of my mobile computing needs. So I began to consider a macbook pro and all the posts saying how cool it runs. This of course turned out to be utter bulls**t as apple store demo mac pro units were uniformly hot to the touch. Zero improvement. I held out, however, hoping that all the returned notebooks and the high rate of apple care service costs, etc would set off some kind of Alarm in cupertino.. Some pencil pusher would say... wow, we're not making nearly as much as we should in the mobile segment... maybe it's because our notebooks have inherenet design defects... But no... Jobs instead changes chinese factories thinking it's manufacturing's fault. Wrong. It's the crap design and Apple's philosophy in general; a mindset that is tailored to the soccer mom who wants something quiet and cute. So they dump a truck load of thermal paste on the heat pipe, totally swamping the processor core so the fans don't kick in as they should -- the problem being that when you turn plastic into a heat sync it melts.. duh. Yet as long as the soccer moms are happy. After all when you only check email that cute macbook doesn't get THAT hot. Now if it weren't for the OS I really wouldn't care about the fact that Apple has it's head up it's A$$. But I do very much enjoy OSX. I could care less about itunes or any of the non-computing segment crap that Jobs seems to focus primarily on today (ergo the very very small amount of innovation in the computing segment of late), but I do want to keep using OSX but not at the expense of buying defective hardware. So I have ordered a Thinkpad T61 and will be going back to windows/linux for mobile computing until apple gets a clue (read: never).