i was just thinking, AppTapp said that their new gui is going to be released between October 20-30, and i think its safe to say that an iphone update is going to be released with Leopard on the 26th that might be pretty enticing...if i were these hackers i wouldve just given up by now, i mean 1.1.1 was a bitch to break and im sure Apple is going to break all these jailbreaks and unlocks with their new update and they may very well make it 2x harder to hack this time around, and plus this "official app developer" for the iphone supposedly coming in January will make no need for the dev team anymore...now as an avid apptapp-er and hacker this is bad news but its just not looking good for hackers