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Bad news for iPod users - RIAA
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QCassidy352
macrumors G5
I think it's so funny how the RIAA blames their woes on P2P... yeah, that's the problem. 🙄
Although I love P2P, it would be pretty funny to see it disappear... and then to hear the RIAA's excuses when their sales didn't pick up.
They will not get another dime of my money (and that included through the iTMS) unless things change for the better in a major way. Screw 'em.
Although I love P2P, it would be pretty funny to see it disappear... and then to hear the RIAA's excuses when their sales didn't pick up.
They will not get another dime of my money (and that included through the iTMS) unless things change for the better in a major way. Screw 'em.
themadchemist
macrumors 68030
Re: I will stick with iTMS
...and so will plenty of others. You make a great point jaykk! This will only push people toward downloading music (whether legally or illegally). If Apple releases a Windows client soon, it may see a large portion of the revenue for legally downloaded music, and may greatly benefit from the irksome DRM, compression, and protection of the record industry's latest smorgasbord of s**t.
...and so will plenty of others. You make a great point jaykk! This will only push people toward downloading music (whether legally or illegally). If Apple releases a Windows client soon, it may see a large portion of the revenue for legally downloaded music, and may greatly benefit from the irksome DRM, compression, and protection of the record industry's latest smorgasbord of s**t.
Compact Discs in WMA?
I might be wrong about this (and if I am, forgive me) but I thought that to use the name "Compact Disc" on packaging meant that the content of the disc conformed to a particular standard ("Red Book"?) set up by the creators of the CD in the early 80's. CD burners also have to adhere to a similar standard, I believe, to ensure compatibility on CD equipment.
So, assuming my memory is right, you can't even advertise these as compact discs - because they're not!
It's also interesting to note that the BBC in Great Britain are going to be publishing audio discs with the content in MP3 format - to save money on multiple-CD releases - and are advertising them as such.
Good to see someone out there's thinking ahead.
I might be wrong about this (and if I am, forgive me) but I thought that to use the name "Compact Disc" on packaging meant that the content of the disc conformed to a particular standard ("Red Book"?) set up by the creators of the CD in the early 80's. CD burners also have to adhere to a similar standard, I believe, to ensure compatibility on CD equipment.
So, assuming my memory is right, you can't even advertise these as compact discs - because they're not!
It's also interesting to note that the BBC in Great Britain are going to be publishing audio discs with the content in MP3 format - to save money on multiple-CD releases - and are advertising them as such.
Good to see someone out there's thinking ahead.
chewbaccapits
macrumors 6502a
reason for losing money
Hmmm, maybe they should try asking people why they aren't buying music? Maybe I don't care to pay for 2 songs at a cost of $18!
Also, tell the artists to make better CD's. It is the quality that is suffering and it is the 12 y/o kids are the ones who are footing the bill.
Hmmm, maybe they should try asking people why they aren't buying music? Maybe I don't care to pay for 2 songs at a cost of $18!
Also, tell the artists to make better CD's. It is the quality that is suffering and it is the 12 y/o kids are the ones who are footing the bill.
brought to you by Macrovision, the success story who has protected 2.1 billion DVDs from being copied. Except that you can download software for pretty much any OS that will break the protection.
Sol
macrumors 68000
Macrovision does work for DVD
That may be true but ripping a DVD is not as simple as ripping an Audio CD. Personally I find the process too complicated and so does the average consumer of DVDs. Macrovision worked well for the film industry but in the music industry it will be a disaster. People used to ripping their CDs will vote "No" with their wallets and either turn to piracy or buy from the iTunes Music Store, etc.
That may be true but ripping a DVD is not as simple as ripping an Audio CD. Personally I find the process too complicated and so does the average consumer of DVDs. Macrovision worked well for the film industry but in the music industry it will be a disaster. People used to ripping their CDs will vote "No" with their wallets and either turn to piracy or buy from the iTunes Music Store, etc.
BornAgainMac
macrumors 604
The RIAA should also encode the tracks as a very low quality bitrate so that the music sounds terrible. This will prevent people from copying the music and people won't even want to listen to it. Also force the user to enter a 18 digit code for every track they play. Perhaps force the user to pay for the CD again if they don't play the CD after 1 week. I'll submit these great ideas to the RIAA.
robbieduncan
Moderator emeritus
I buy almost all my CDs from CD-Wow (cheap 🙂 ) and some of them have been copy protected (then frequency is increasing too). So far my PowerBook (and before that my iBook) has been able to rip every single on perfectly. As long as that continues I really don't care to much. The first one that does not rip will be sent back.
FYI, the debut album by Velvet Revolver (ex-Stone Temple Pilots and Guns 'N' Roses members) which hit stores this week has this anti-piracy crap on it, in case anyone was going to purchase said album.
I'm not worried. Usually someone creates a crack for getting around the copyright protection in a week or so.
I'm not worried. Usually someone creates a crack for getting around the copyright protection in a week or so.
Since I bought my iPod, I've almost completely stopped buying vinyl.
If this happens, I'll go back to buying vinyl were possible, and use the P2P with broadband to get the digital files.
No court would prosecute me for that. The RIAA can stick it up their arse.
Anyway, buy indie. Anyone on a big FAT record label has enough cash.
No doubt we'll soon have to pay to stream radio, and pay a royalty everytime we hear a song that we don't own.
If this happens, I'll go back to buying vinyl were possible, and use the P2P with broadband to get the digital files.
No court would prosecute me for that. The RIAA can stick it up their arse.
Anyway, buy indie. Anyone on a big FAT record label has enough cash.
No doubt we'll soon have to pay to stream radio, and pay a royalty everytime we hear a song that we don't own.
srobert
macrumors 68020
If they decide to actually go ahead with that kind of crap, someone should force the RIAA to put big stickers on their copy protected CDs saying they are so.
*** WARNING!!! THIS IS A COPY-PROTECTED CD ***
Pretty much like they do on cigarette packs (at least in Canada). The sticker takes half the area:
If someone want to bulid a cool website and have tons of traffic, simply create a searchable website listing all new albums released and if they are copy protected or not. I'd definitly go on such a website before buying any CDs. That would rock... and could be a good form of protest against the RIAA.
Anybody visited the RIAA's website lately. Funny how you can see that 100% of they're latest news are about piracy and not about doing something for music. Hell! 50% of their frontpage content is about piracy. They sure got their priority straight.
*** WARNING!!! THIS IS A COPY-PROTECTED CD ***
Pretty much like they do on cigarette packs (at least in Canada). The sticker takes half the area:
If someone want to bulid a cool website and have tons of traffic, simply create a searchable website listing all new albums released and if they are copy protected or not. I'd definitly go on such a website before buying any CDs. That would rock... and could be a good form of protest against the RIAA.
Anybody visited the RIAA's website lately. Funny how you can see that 100% of they're latest news are about piracy and not about doing something for music. Hell! 50% of their frontpage content is about piracy. They sure got their priority straight.
I have some 'copy protected' CD's I bought in England (without knowing it - the markings are beyond subtle and it's very easy not to know - particularly with US style theft protection that will most likely cover what you need to see).
The good news is (and hardly surprising) - it doesn't work.
I have over 200 Gigs of music (and a box of CD's still to RIP) and they're all on CD's I own. I don't even use iTunes because it's over-priced and under qualitied.
Don't panic - anything that a CD player can read you can. The only way they can give existing players a chance and keep out PC's is by trying to introduce 'flaws' that will bother a computer but not your stereo. It's a fools errand. Bits are bits and unless that sacrifice the quality of the audio they'll need to place every bit from every CD on every disc.
The music industry need to give us a new format. If I could get what I want in Super Audio, DVD Audio or something else I'm sure people would be compelled to to buy discs again. Computers always take time to catch up - there problem now is that every $400 box can play and burn discs. Give me a blue-laser format and I'll listen to stereo RIP's on my iPod but always have the disc around for the full multi-channel experience.
You can't do really credible surround sound on headphones or on 2 speakers (don't believe the hype) so going multi-channel is a defense against portable players forever. Plus they get to resell their catalog at full price. This other stuff is just silly.
The good news is (and hardly surprising) - it doesn't work.
I have over 200 Gigs of music (and a box of CD's still to RIP) and they're all on CD's I own. I don't even use iTunes because it's over-priced and under qualitied.
Don't panic - anything that a CD player can read you can. The only way they can give existing players a chance and keep out PC's is by trying to introduce 'flaws' that will bother a computer but not your stereo. It's a fools errand. Bits are bits and unless that sacrifice the quality of the audio they'll need to place every bit from every CD on every disc.
The music industry need to give us a new format. If I could get what I want in Super Audio, DVD Audio or something else I'm sure people would be compelled to to buy discs again. Computers always take time to catch up - there problem now is that every $400 box can play and burn discs. Give me a blue-laser format and I'll listen to stereo RIP's on my iPod but always have the disc around for the full multi-channel experience.
You can't do really credible surround sound on headphones or on 2 speakers (don't believe the hype) so going multi-channel is a defense against portable players forever. Plus they get to resell their catalog at full price. This other stuff is just silly.
Raid
macrumors 68020
virividox said:
Couldn't agree more! I was talking about the RIAA & Labels with friends and we came up with this analogy:
The RIAA are the nasty sharp teeth of the small-brained Label industry dinosaur. This creature is trying to survive in an changing environment it can't control and is getting more hostile to it's way of life. Not having the capacity to think into the future, this hapless dinosaur can't seem to adapt, so it bites at everything trying to survive as long as it can. And we all know what happened the dinosaurs...
Perhaps a little too much thought went into that, but that's what you get when you discuss music when the discovery channel is on! 😛
Fukui
macrumors 68000
That was only possible by luck (one of the encryption keys was left open by accident), and the files after decription were open Mpeg-2/AC3 files, so ripping wasn't that hard. But with WMA, it is impossible unless you use WiMP. Its not like iTunes AAC where if you uncrypt it its a plain MP4 file and you can play it on many players, WMA is as closed as you can get.bobindashadows said:
NusuniAdmin
macrumors 6502a
I have a feeling soon people are going to finally get some guts (something americans have not had in while) and stand against the government and RIAA, i swear this is getting ridiculous. Its getting crazy, i say we attack these companies/places/things in this order:
1) The RIAA (someone said urinate on their door, man... urinate in their cofee! [or put laxatives in cofee mauahahha])
2) Microsoft (they are just annoying for infinate amount of reasons)
3) Clearchannel or wutever that company is called, they are becoming monopoly and the gov. has done nothing about it.
4) Destroy Bill gates' 15,000,000.... mansions...well actually steal his macs then destroy the mansions 😀
1) The RIAA (someone said urinate on their door, man... urinate in their cofee! [or put laxatives in cofee mauahahha])
2) Microsoft (they are just annoying for infinate amount of reasons)
3) Clearchannel or wutever that company is called, they are becoming monopoly and the gov. has done nothing about it.
4) Destroy Bill gates' 15,000,000.... mansions...well actually steal his macs then destroy the mansions 😀
i thought that they had tried that already with a few Cd's. I believe that Celine Dion (sp) Cd and Madonna's new Cd were supposed to be impossible to copy, however, anything can be done on mac's : ), basically audio files were online from the Cd's in no time. If you're wondering this will be the last day I can post and it won't be much
nathan
nathan