Base 15" with 256 or 13" with 512?

[Acronyc]

Your making my point... some people don't want to spend that much money on a computer. Which is fine. I've already pointed that out.

I also work in the business field, in IT. I'm glad the 13" is working for you. Like I said, it is a fine machine. It is just that the NEW MacBook Pro 15" is so svelte, that I can't imagine anyone not getting one for the sake of portability. I just plainly don't believe that almost everyone in this thread wouldn't have chosen a 15" if both a 13" and a 15" were sitting on a table, and I said that both free but you could only choose one. What I do believe is I struck a nerve, and most people in this thread have taken offense to what I said, and feel the need to defend their purchase.

And the issue I have is with these same people giving bad buying advice.

I think what hits a nerve is that you are telling others that your use case and opinion applies to everyone who would buy a MBP. Which is ridiculous and clearly factually incorrect. You can't imagine anyone not getting the 15" due to portability, but everyone is not you. It really is surprising you cannot believe the fact that not everyone wants the same size of MBP, irrespective of cost.

It also seems like you are very defensive of your purchase. You keep arguing the 15" is the best MBP no matter what for anyone and any purpose in any situation. When presented with facts to the contrary, you refuse to believe them.

 

[Appurushido]

Your making my point... some people don't want to spend that much money on a computer. Which is fine. I've already pointed that out.

What I'm understanding from the comments being made is, it's not about how much someone would want to spend on a computer, but more for their needs. Why spend something extra on something they will never make use of? And what most people are probably reading into your comments is the justification of buying the 15" over the 13". If both machines were to have the exact same specs, apart from screen size, I would still choose the 13" due to portability.

Are you using your laptop mostly at home, work, or both? It's like saying, why not get an iMac instead? You can get something with much more raw power, even at a cheaper price. Maxed out 15" MBP w/TB 512SSD is $2799. iMac with 27" 5K display + 512SSD, with same spec as the 15" MBP and a Radeon Pro with 8GB video memory is $100 cheaper and at least a 25% increase in power give or take along with a gigantic increase in resolution and real estate on the screen size.

The way I see it, unless you are always doing work on the go (outside of home or the office), then getting an iMac 27" 5K is better than the 15" MBP w/TB and even cheaper by $100. I highly doubt you are out of the office, workplace or home doing work on average of 5-6 hours plus a day to warrant getting a 15" MBP (2K screen@ 15", 16GB RAM DDR3, Radeon Pro 560 4GB Vram) over the 27" iMac (5K res@27", 16GB RAM DDR4 user upgradable?, RP 580 and 8GB Vram). I know it is a little off track but most people would see the justification if you were talking about raw power in a machine you buy. In this case, the iMac would be a no brainer, cheaper and that much more powerful.

Not trying to make a rude remark, but why do you do think the 13" is a joke?

 

[green86]

Well, I’m not angry or ranting and apologies if it came off as that way.

I listed the reasons I prefer the 13”, which are true for others. I don’t have to use the 15” because I don’t want a computer that size right now.

But anyway, you seem to believe that people don’t buy different machines for different reasons and the only reason one would buy a 13” instead of a 15” is because the 13” is cheaper. Since you choose to ignore evidence that this is not true, I don’t think there’s anything else to discuss.

I think what hits a nerve is that you are telling others that your use case and opinion applies to everyone who would buy a MBP. Which is ridiculous and clearly factually incorrect. You can't imagine anyone not getting the 15" due to portability, but everyone is not you. It really is surprising you cannot believe the fact that not everyone wants the same size of MBP, irrespective of cost.

It also seems like you are very defensive of your purchase. You keep arguing the 15" is the best MBP no matter what for anyone and any purpose in any situation. When presented with facts to the contrary, you refuse to believe them.

I'm not defensive about my purchase. I'm not sure how you can say that. If I wanted a 13", I could buy one.

It is not opinion, but fact, that the 15" is superior to the 13":

• It is empirically faster in every way.
• It has better sound.
• It can connect to more monitors.
• It has 4 full speed thunderbolt 3 ports, vs. the 13" TB operating the two on the right side at half speed due to lack of available PCIE lanes.
• It has more available display space to get work done in.
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What I'm understanding from the comments being made is, it's not about how much someone would want to spend on a computer, but more for their needs. Why spend something extra on something they will never make use of?

I'll address your points, even though I'v answered some of them before. Like this one. I already said that some people don't want want to spend that much on a computer, and that is fine.

Are you using your laptop mostly at home, work, or both? It's like saying, why not get an iMac instead? You can get something with much more raw power, even at a cheaper price. Maxed out 15" MBP w/TB 512SSD is $2799. iMac with 27" 5K display + 512SSD, with same spec as the 15" MBP and a Radeon Pro with 8GB video memory is $100 cheaper and at least a 25% increase in power give or take along with a gigantic increase in resolution and real estate on the screen size.

I use my computer at work, at home, while traveling, on vacation, etc. You can't use an iMac on the go, your comparison is quite poor.

Not trying to make a rude remark, but why do you do think the 13" is a joke?

I don't actually think it is a joke at all. It is a great machine, something else I've already said. I just think a majority of people buy the 13", and those people seemingly overwhelmingly rip on the 15". Then they feel the need to hop on these buying advice posts and tell everyone they don't need a 15". It is bad advice for the most part. If someone can afford the 15", and are willing to spend that much, they should. That is all I've been saying.

I suggest you go through and read my posts.

 

[Acronyc]

I'm not defensive about my purchase. I'm not sure how you can say that. If I wanted a 13", I could buy one.

It is not opinion, but fact, that the 15" is superior to the 13":

• It is empirically faster in every way.
• It has better sound.
• It can connect to more monitors.
• It has 4 full speed thunderbolt 3 ports, vs. the 13" TB operating the two on the right side at half speed due to lack of available PCIE lanes.
• It has more available display space to get work done in.

This is not the point I was trying to make. I already said the 15" was faster than the 13". My argument is not about which machine has better specs, which clearly the 15" does (I could easily buy a 15" but I don't want one).

My point is that you stated on numerous occasions that the only reason someone would buy a 13" instead of the 15" is because of cost. The only reason. If the person states otherwise, you believe they are just trying to make themselves feel better.

This is your opinion and has already been proven innaccurate in this thread. It is a fact that cost is not the only deciding factor when people purchase a 13" instead of a 15".

There are many other reasons a person would purchase the 13" instead of the 15", even if they can afford it and know the 15" has better specs. These reasons have been stated many times in this thread, yet you don't believe the posters who state their reasons. You believe they are lying and the true, only possible reason they bought the 13" is because it is cheaper.

This isn't true and I don't see why it is so hard to understand.

 

[green86]

This is not the point I was trying to make. I already said the 15" was faster than the 13". My argument is not about which machine has better specs, which clearly the 15" does (I could easily buy a 15" but I don't want one).

My point is that you stated on numerous occasions that the only reason someone would buy a 13" instead of the 15" is because of cost. The only reason. If the person states otherwise, you believe they are just trying to make themselves feel better.

This is your opinion and has already been proven innaccurate in this thread. It is a fact that cost is not the only deciding factor when people purchase a 13" instead of a 15".

There are many other reasons a person would purchase the 13" instead of the 15", even if they can afford it and know the 15" has better specs. These reasons have been stated many times in this thread, yet you don't believe the posters who state their reasons. You believe they are lying and the true, only possible reason they bought the 13" is because it is cheaper.

This isn't true and I don't see why it is so hard to understand.

I understand perfectly. Your offended that I pointed out people can't afford 15". But your not listening to reason I'm afraid.

There is only one possible reason to buy a 13", not many, if cost isn't the reason. That is size. It is the only reason you've been spouting. It is the only thing your clinging to. However, given the reduction of size of the new generation of MBPs, the demographic of people actually needing a smaller size has to be nearly non-existent. It isn't a good reason anymore, it is a marginal reason, and shouldn't be entered in most buying decisions. Further, you haven't used a new 15" on a daily basis, so you really have no place to say it is too large. You can continue to respond to my posts, reiterating the same tired wrong points, but that doesn't mean your right.

Nothing you can 'say' can change that fact. I'm so sorry.

Nothing as been proven by a few posters in a MacRumors post. Try again. Doesn't matter how bold you make the text bro. This whole exchange started because you were complaining about the 15"'s footprint, an experience you can't really speak to truthfully.

 

[Closingracer]

I understand perfectly. Your offended that I pointed out people can't afford 15". But your not listening to reason I'm afraid.

There is only one possible reason to buy a 13", not many, if cost isn't the reason. That is size. It is the only reason you've been spouting. It is the only thing your clinging to. However, given the reduction of size of the new generation of MBPs, the demographic of people actually needing a smaller size has to be nearly non-existent. It isn't a good reason anymore, it is a marginal reason, and shouldn't be entered in most buying decisions. Further, you haven't used a new 15" on a daily basis, so you really have no place to say it is too large. You can continue to respond to my posts, reiterating the same tired wrong points, but that doesn't mean your right.

Nothing you can 'say' can change that fact. I'm so sorry.

Nothing as been proven by a few posters in a MacRumors post. Try again. Doesn't matter how bold you make the text bro. This whole exchange started because you were complaining about the 15"'s footprint, an experience you can't really speak to truthfully.

What? My 2017 15 Macbook Pro is clearly larger and heavier than my 2015 13 inch....

 

[green86]

What? My 2017 15 Macbook Pro is clearly larger and heavier than my 2015 13 inch....

I never said that is wasn't? Wow

 

[Strelok]

I would go with the 15”. I prefer to have the extra power of the quad core in case I ever need it.

 

[Acronyc]

I understand perfectly. Your offended that I pointed out people can't afford 15". But your not listening to reason I'm afraid.

No, you still don't understand that your opinion does not equate to fact. And I'm not offended. Just having a discussion.

However, given the reduction of size of the new generation of MBPs, the demographic of people actually needing a smaller size has to be nearly non-existent. It isn't a good reason anymore, it is a marginal reason, and shouldn't be entered in most buying decisions.

Really? How do you know this? See, this is the kind of statement I take issue with and would love to see the research you have to back up your assertion. Numbers and scientific data, please, which I assume you don't have.

You claim that size is not a valid reason to buy a 13" over the 15" for almost everyone. Almost everyone. Who says? You? So you get to decide for everyone that size should not play a role in purchasing decision based on your opinion? Because you say so? Who are you to decide for others?

Seriously, I'd like to know what makes you qualified to tell others what size of computer would work better for them.

Is it just that you believe your opinion is the only correct one?

I'd also like to know how you have proven that (A) the only reason people buy the 13" is because of cost; and (B) the size difference between the 15" and 13" doesn't matter anymore.

Really, I'd like to see the proof please.

Further, you haven't used a new 15" on a daily basis, so you really have no place to say it is too large.

I have no place? Wow, okay. So we have to use everything in the world to know what we want and don't want? It doesn't work like that.

Nothing you can 'say' can change that fact. I'm so sorry.

Nothing as been proven by a few posters in a MacRumors post. Try again. Doesn't matter how bold you make the text bro. This whole exchange started because you were complaining about the 15"'s footprint, an experience you can't really speak to truthfully.

Actually, this thread has posts with people stating they bought the 13" because they wanted a smaller computer and that cost wasn't an issue. So that's proof right there.

On the contrary, nothing has been proven by you! You state cost is the only real difference to buy the 13" and size doesn't matter anymore, based on your experience and your opinion! Sheesh.

My whole point, "bro," is that you have been stating your opinion over and over like its a fact. When it is not.

Your stated opinion: People only buy the 13" because they can't afford a 15".
Fact: You have no way to prove this.

Your stated opinion: If a person can afford a 15" they should get a 15".
Fact: This is your belief based on your experience. Your experience is not the same as everyone and does not apply to everyone.

Your stated opinion: The size difference between the two models doesn't matter anymore.
Fact: Again, your belief. You cannot tell others what does and does not matter to them.

Nothing you can 'say' can change that fact. I'm so sorry.

Stating your opinion over and over doesn't make it fact.

Your entire argument is like me telling everyone they should buy the plus sized iPhone. It has better specifications and a much better, larger screen. It's not even that much bigger than a 4.7" iPhone. Why would you buy the smaller iPhone? Because you like a smaller iPhone? Please, that's not even a real reason anymore because the size differences are not so big. The only reason you would buy the smaller one is because you can't afford the bigger one. Right?

 

[green86]

Stating your opinion over and over doesn't make it fact.

Nice post long post... but...

Can you see the irony in this? I hope so.

Because if you think your saying anything in your experience is close to reality then your delusional.

Of course I am just stating my opinion here. But lets get real. What's the point your trying to make? I have had one consistent message this entire thread. Every time I rebuke a point of yours, you try to come up with something new. Now your telling me that this is all just my opinion. It is. But nothing you said was factual, and when I said you can't speak to whether a 15" would work for you it was based on the fact that you haven't used one. Thats all. Thats reasonable. Your blowing this way out of proportion.

This started because I said I can't imagine anyone going for the current generation 13 over the 15 because of size, and I still can't really. You can keep stating your opinion but I just plainly don't believe you. I'm not trying to inflame you. I just think you have other motives for saying so.

 

[Acronyc]

Nice post long post... but...

Can you see the irony in this? I hope so.

Because if you think your saying anything in your experience is close to reality then your delusional.

Of course I am just stating my opinion here. But lets get real. What's the point your trying to make? I have had one consistent message this entire thread. Every time I rebuke a point of yours, you try to come up with something new. Now your telling me that this is all just my opinion. It is. But nothing you said was factual, and when I said you can't speak to whether a 15" would work for you it was based on the fact that you haven't used one. Thats all. Thats reasonable. Your blowing this way out of proportion.

This started because I said I can't imagine anyone going for the current generation 13 over the 15 because of size, and I still can't really. You can keep stating your opinion but I just plainly don't believe you. I'm not trying to inflame you. I just think you have other motives for saying so.

Okay, I’m done with this conversation after a few final words.

(1) Thanks for finally admitting you were stating your opinion. Because it wasn’t coming out that way. When you said size isn’t a good reason anymore to purchase a smaller model, you forgot to qualify it with “I think” or “it’s my opinion.” You were stating these as facts when they aren’t.

(2) Nothing I said is factual? Please go reread my posts. You claim people don’t have reading comprehension yet you seem to have not read my post. Just one fact: you stated the only reason someone would not buy a 13” is cost because size is not an issue. This is something you cannot know, and you have been proven wrong in this. Yet you have claimed to know this throughout the thread.

(3) None of my points have been new. They are related to show that there are reasons for buying a 13” besides cost and to highlight the fact that you do not know everything about everyone’s needs and purchasing reasons, despite pretending to know.

(4) I clearly know the 15” isn’t good for my needs. I can know this without purchasing one. It’s just like I can know I don’t need an SUV without purchasing one. I don’t need to buy one and drive it every day to know that.

 

[Appurushido]

I'll address your points, even though I'v answered some of them before. Like this one. I already said that some people don't want want to spend that much on a computer, and that is fine.

What most people are trying to say, It's not about spending that much on a computer. Guess you just can't understand that. So you are saying someone who wants/needs the 13" (regardless of power) doesn't want to spend much more money because the 15" is better? Logic fail.

I use my computer at work, at home, while traveling, on vacation, etc. You can't use an iMac on the go, your comparison is quite poor.

Someone needs to read what I said more carefully. You can choose to cherry pick a section without mention the whole, it's up to you. Unless you are out of the office or home, mainly unplugged more than 5-6hrs "on average a day" doing your work, you just wasted money on a portable machine that cost more and does less. That's the same argument you have over the 13" vs 15" because a 13" is more portable. Why would you spend more on something that is less powerful? Oh yeah cause it's portable. Hence your argument vs the 13". They don't buy the 13" because it's not powerful enough of for your buying standards, they buy it because it's easier for traveling. Good for you if 15" is easy to travel for you, but for most, it looks very silly.

I don't actually think it is a joke at all. It is a great machine, something else I've already said. I just think a majority of people buy the 13", and those people seemingly overwhelmingly rip on the 15". Then they feel the need to hop on these buying advice posts and tell everyone they don't need a 15". It is bad advice for the most part. If someone can afford the 15", and are willing to spend that much, they should. That is all I've been saying.

Contradictory. Same goes with your argument with buying advice of buying a 15" over a 13" You've made your arguments why a 15" is better and you are offering your buying advice to someone who might only use MS Office/Google Docs they need a quad-core, 16MB ram, and a dedicated GPU to do their work with a larger screen because it's better. If there was only an option between 15" and 17" of course I will still choose the 15", and I'm sure you will choose the 17" for its power.

Since we are going to talk about our feelings, I do feel like the 13" is a joke.

Won't knock you on your backpedaling, but you did say it was a joke at first. That's why I asked. You're free to change your opinion. No harm no foul.

I suggest you go through and read my posts.

Like many others, I sure did We can all agree to disagree with your argument.

 

[lax28]

There is no use, some people are just this way. It’s obvious by almost all their posts in any thread I read. Hopefully, most of us are smart enough and adult enough to know better and not be offended by the opinions. I know for one, I’ve stopped taking any thing seriously.
[doublepost=1506801301][/doublepost]Btw given the choice between a 2017 MBP with 16GB ram, and 1TB hard. (Based on my needs) I would definitely choose the 13”over the 15” even if the price was the same. The 13”is just a great machine not only very portable but it has great feel and look when using it too. I find the 15”to be heavier (because it is) and don’t like the way it feels when handling it. I also don’t care for the absurd size of the track pad, the fact that the keyboard is like an island in a sea of silver (or space gray) and due to the bigger size of laptop and trackpad too, I don’t like how my hands/wrists rest on the 15” when in use vs when I use a 13”. Didn’t find that to be the case on the older machines as much but on the new ones I do.

Not that I needed to justify my choice, but not everyone would take the 15” just because.

 

[green86]

There is no use, some people are just this way. It’s obvious by almost all their posts in any thread I read. Hopefully, most of us are smart enough and adult enough to know better and not be offended by the opinions. I know for one, I’ve stopped taking any thing seriously.
[doublepost=1506801301][/doublepost]Btw given the choice between a 2017 MBP with 16GB ram, and 1TB hard. (Based on my needs) I would definitely choose the 13”over the 15” even if the price was the same. The 13”is just a great machine not only very portable but it has great feel and look when using it too. I find the 15”to be heavier (because it is) and don’t like the way it feels when handling it. I also don’t care for the absurd size of the track pad, the fact that the keyboard is like an island in a sea of silver (or space gray) and due to the bigger size of laptop and trackpad too, I don’t like how my hands/wrists rest on the 15” when in use vs when I use a 13”. Didn’t find that to be the case on the older machines as much but on the new ones I do.

Not that I needed to justify my choice, but not everyone would take the 15” just because.

I mean, your reasoning is highly subjective here. I can't argue the fact the trackpad 'looks absurd', but empirically, the 15" is the superior machine.
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I guess you can't read what you write?

Gonna have to give me a bit more here.
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So you are saying someone who wants/needs the 13" (regardless of power) doesn't want to spend much more money because the 15" is better? Logic fail.

I've re-read this sentence multiple times. I'm not trying to be mean (which your clearly trying to be), but I don't understand it. Mind clearing it up?

Someone needs to read what I said more carefully. You can choose to cherry pick a section without mention the whole, it's up to you. Unless you are out of the office or home, mainly unplugged more than 5-6hrs "on average a day" doing your work, you just wasted money on a portable machine that cost more and does less. That's the same argument you have over the 13" vs 15" because a 13" is more portable. Why would you spend more on something that is less powerful? Oh yeah cause it's portable. Hence your argument vs the 13". They don't buy the 13" because it's not powerful enough of for your buying standards, they buy it because it's easier for traveling. Good for you if 15" is easy to travel for you, but for most, it looks very silly.

I mean, I need a laptop. Your argument here is that the 15" shouldn't exist at all. How exactly is the 13" more portable? Saying the 15" 'looks silly' really isn't a great justification against it. You seem to be descending on childish name calling.

Contradictory. Same goes with your argument with buying advice of buying a 15" over a 13" You've made your arguments why a 15" is better and you are offering your buying advice to someone who might only use MS Office/Google Docs they need a quad-core, 16MB ram, and a dedicated GPU to do their work with a larger screen because it's better. If there was only an option between 15" and 17" of course I will still choose the 15", and I'm sure you will choose the 17" for its power.

I'm tired of this thread and I've made my point. I'm pretty much done.

I've explained quite clearly the merits of the 15", and I'm not taking the opinions of those who already bought the 13" as a valid argument for the 13"/against the 15". That doesn't make me wrong. 50 people can come here and post 4+4 = 6, but it doesn't make it true. There is no way the 13" is empirically better, other then current owners simply stating its 'more portable' (a dubious claim at best, given the svelteness of the current generation but hey, thats just my opinion right?)

I did smile when I read that you think I'm an incognito Apple employee who's function is to plant buying suggestions on forums ... I wish this were true, but it is a hilarious thought. Thank you.
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Okay, I’m done with this conversation after a few final words.

(1) Thanks for finally admitting you were stating your opinion. Because it wasn’t coming out that way. When you said size isn’t a good reason anymore to purchase a smaller model, you forgot to qualify it with “I think” or “it’s my opinion.” You were stating these as facts when they aren’t.

(2) Nothing I said is factual? Please go reread my posts. You claim people don’t have reading comprehension yet you seem to have not read my post. Just one fact: you stated the only reason someone would not buy a 13” is cost because size is not an issue. This is something you cannot know, and you have been proven wrong in this. Yet you have claimed to know this throughout the thread.

(3) None of my points have been new. They are related to show that there are reasons for buying a 13” besides cost and to highlight the fact that you do not know everything about everyone’s needs and purchasing reasons, despite pretending to know.

(4) I clearly know the 15” isn’t good for my needs. I can know this without purchasing one. It’s just like I can know I don’t need an SUV without purchasing one. I don’t need to buy one and drive it every day to know that.

I mean, on a stat by stat basis, the 15" is a better machine. You can't really argue that it is not. You feel like the 13" is noticeably more portable, but that is just your opinion. Not fact. I mean, how can you rebuke that the 15" isn't technically superior? You can't. So you keep arguing in circles and bring up new points, which by the way, yea. You DO keep on trying to find new things to prove your point. I get it guys and gals. You need to feel good about the computer you already purchased. But it doesn't make it a better machine.

And you can't know for 100% certainty that the 15" wouldn't work for you. But I guess if you are so close minded that you'd never consider it, it could appear that you "know it isn't good for your needs"... but it doesn't mean that this is necessarily true.

 

[Acronyc]

I mean, on a stat by stat basis, the 15" is a better machine. You can't really argue that it is not. You feel like the 13" is noticeably more portable, but that is just your opinion. Not fact. I mean, how can you rebuke that the 15" isn't technically superior? You can't. So you keep arguing in circles and bring up new points, which by the way, yea. You DO keep on trying to find new things to prove your point. I get it guys and gals. You need to feel good about the computer you already purchased. But it doesn't make it a better machine.

And you can't know for 100% certainty that the 15" wouldn't work for you. But I guess if you are so close minded that you'd never consider it, it could appear that you "know it isn't good for your needs"... but it doesn't mean that this is necessarily true.

I thought I was done here, but just to point out:

It’s a fact the 13” is more portable. It is smaller and lighter, hence more portable. Just like the 15” has better specs, which I never said it didn’t.

Your continual claim the 15” is better for everyone - as long as they can afford it - in every use case no matter what is not true.

You continue to claim you know how others feel when you can’t and make veiled personal insults.

 

[Jamalogo10]

I mean, your reasoning is highly subjective here. I can't argue the fact the trackpad 'looks absurd', but empirically, the 15" is the superior machine.
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Gonna have to give me a bit more here.
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I've explained quite clearly the merits of the 15", and I'm not taking the opinions of those who already bought the 13" as a valid argument for the 13"/against the 15". That doesn't make me wrong. 50 people can come here and post 4+4 = 6, but it doesn't make it true. There is no way the 13" is empirically better, other then current owners simply stating its 'more portable' (a dubious claim at best, given the svelteness of the current generation but hey, thats just my opinion right?)

Green86 you seem to get in battles with everyone on macrumors. I think we can get to the bottom of this debate very quickly with this logic: Do wealthy people buy rMb's?

the answer is yes.

Logical reasons someone may prefer a 13in to a 15in.
- the 13 has better pixel density (3%)
- the TB and nTB have better battery life
- the 13's are 33% lighter
- and the surface is about 33% smaller

These features (especially size and battery life) are important to a lot of people. You're ignoring a huge demographic. I have friends that can afford $5,000 computers but the 13's are already incredibly well rounded machines, some of them view the extra power as unnecessary. BTW some people NEED smaller machines, regulars at coffee shops, djs, lap writers, frequent flyers, etc.

It's the classic battle of a BMW 328i versus a 535i. More power and more real estate in exchange for worse fuel economy (battery) and handling/shorter wheelbase (portability) doesn't mean every person that can afford the 535i will chose it over the 328i.

I understand your logic though... Why not get the 15 if you can afford it. It's a more powerful machine and better in a lot of ways. The price tags reflects those strengths but there's more to a machine than it's GPU and CPU.

If you have an unlimited cash flow and aren't someone who desperately needs the quad core power and prefers a more compact design the 13 makes a lot of sense. End of story.

 

[Appurushido]

I thought I was done here, but just to point out:

It’s a fact the 13” is more portable. It is smaller and lighter, hence more portable. Just like the 15” has better specs, which I never said it didn’t.

Your continual claim the 15” is better for everyone - as long as they can afford it - in every use case no matter what is not true.

You continue to claim you know how others feel when you can’t and make veiled personal insults.

This....

Green86 you seem to get in battles with everyone on macrumors. I think we can get to the bottom of this debate very quickly with this logic: Do wealthy people buy rMb's?

the answer is yes.

Logical reasons someone may prefer a 13in to a 15in.
- the 13 has better pixel density (3%)
- the TB and nTB have better battery life
- the 13's are 33% lighter
- and the surface is about 33% smaller

These features (especially size and battery life) are important to a lot of people. You're ignoring a huge demographic. I have friends that can afford $5,000 computers but the 13's are already incredibly well rounded machines some of them view the extra power as unnecessary. BTW some people NEED smaller machines, regulars at coffee shops, djs, lap writers, frequent flyers, etc.

It's the classic battle of a BMW 328i versus a 535i. More power and more real estate in exchange for worse fuel economy (battery) and handling/shorter wheelbase (portability) doesn't mean every person that can afford the 535i will chose it over the 328i.

I understand your logic though... Why not get the 15 if you can afford it. It's a more powerful machine and better in a lot of ways. The price tags reflects those strengths but there's more to a machine than it's GPU and CPU.

If you have an unlimited cash flow and aren't someone who desperately needs the quad core power and prefers a more compact design the 13 makes a lot of sense. End of story.

...and this.

I've re-read this sentence multiple times. I'm not trying to be mean (which your clearly trying to be), but I don't understand it. Mind clearing it up?

I mean, I need a laptop. Your argument here is that the 15" shouldn't exist at all. How exactly is the 13" more portable? Saying the 15" 'looks silly' really isn't a great justification against it. You seem to be descending on childish name calling.

I'm not really game. I'm tired of this thread and I've made my point. I'm pretty much done.

I mean, on a stat by stat basis, the 15" is a better machine. You can't really argue that it is not. You feel like the 13" is noticeably more portable, but that is just your opinion. Not fact. I mean, how can you rebuke that the 15" isn't technically superior? You can't. So you keep arguing in circles and bring up new points, which by the way, yea. You DO keep on trying to find new things to prove your point. I get it guys and gals. You need to feel good about the computer you already purchased. But it doesn't make it a better machine.

And you can't know for 100% certainty that the 15" wouldn't work for you. But I guess if you are so close minded that you'd never consider it, it could appear that you "know it isn't good for your needs"... but it doesn't mean that this is necessarily true.

Being mean? That's just your opinion. Childish name calling? I didn't name drop anyone or bash anyone. All I said was, for someone who travels it looks silly (read the context of it, or in your case, reading comprehension. It's not directed to anyone and you can spin it as an attack like you do with other comments) to have a larger laptop over something that is more portable, that's just my personal opinion. It's like I can say you are the one trying to be mean cause you seem to have arguments with more than one person on this thread says the person who makes a statement that people buy the 13" because they can't afford a 15", smug comment at its finest that most people agree on.

I never said 15" shouldn't exist at all, once again, in your words, reading comprehension helps. You certainly like to spin stuff to validate your statements. Most people prefer smaller machines because it fits their needs. As stated before, you seem like the person to pick arguments with people. Haven't seen your other posts, but one can only assume. You press your opinion on others and have it validated more than another person's opinion.

There will always be a counter-argument over an argument for people who are debating/arguing about something. But as far as this thread goes, everyone can agree to disagree with you. Warren Buffet, billionaire, lives in a roughly $600K home built in the 50s. Has all the money in the world, can buy a newer, mansion size house, but prefers not to or doesn't want to. Sorry, but seems like you just can't understand why people prefer 13" vs 15" regardless of cost/power/size to fit their needs.