No, I don't need more. I have 256Gb today with 105 Gb free, and I am even using a Windows virtual machine (38Gb in size).
My data is stored in the cloud and I only need a small subset stored locally.
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Base Model M3 MacBook Air Has Faster SSD Speeds After Controversy With Previous Model
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No, I don't need more. I have 256Gb today with 105 Gb free, and I am even using a Windows virtual machine (38Gb in size).
My data is stored in the cloud and I only need a small subset stored locally.
Agreed. 8GB in 2024 is robbery. Every Air should be 16GB at minimum WITHOUT any price increase. The cost of the chips is negligible. Pure greed on Tim Cook's part.
And 8GB on a product called the MBP? No "Pro" laptop should be less than 32GB. What blow to Apple's reputation!
The last one, Final Cut Pro. It seems to be using an app rather than a benchmark and would closely match actual usage.
Based on what? This is what you want, and you don't run Apple (as far as I know).
Go try out your theory. Head to Apple's refurb store and search for the prices of machines with 16GB. All you'll find at or below the 16GB @ $1100 description of what you think Apple should do are three (at this time) M1 MBAs. These are 2020 models.
The lowest base level MBA they are selling for new, at 16GB, is $1200.
So you think Apple should be selling brand new machines at the same price they are currently selling a 4 year old refurbished laptop with a first-gen chip?
That would be great, but what dream world are you living in? Apple is a business, not a charity.
Do you go to a restaurant and demand a steak for the same price they sell a hamburger at, just because you only want to pay hamburger prices? Best of luck with that.
You can decry Apple all you want, but I think you're outnumbered by the many many Apple shoppers who live happily with a base-spec 8GB machine, or pay more than what you want to pay for an upgrade. And Apple is listening to all those shoppers who tell them every day that their business model is working.
In your two first statements, you said nothing about the price.
These are direct quotes of you:
sunny5's first statement: Now, 16GB RAM please.
sunny5's second statement: The base is not 16GB. It still starts from 8GB for almost 10 years.
If Apple increased the RAM of the base model and increased the price with $200, they would still satisfy your 'wishes' as quoted above.
Later you have made more specific statements where you have also included price.
No, but you're not stating that originally. You only stated "increase RAM" instead of "increase RAM and keep the price".
That's my issue.
Again, in your first two comments, you didn't mention the price at all. You only talked about memory in the base model.
If Apple increased the RAM in the base model and also increased the price, they would still have fulfilled your 'wish' as you stated it because you didn't mention price until later comments.
I agree. What is 256GB for a laptop or desktop? As much data these days? It's pointless for the price they're charging.
Go ahead and keep justifying overpriced upgrading fees for 2 chips. Many Apple shoppers who are happy about it dont represent the fact.
Also, I keep telling you that what Apple is charging is overpriced for just upgrading from 8GB to 16GB. Do you have any idea how much 16GB of regular RAM costs? Why are you keep justifying poor specs which has been used for almost 10 years? What a silly idea.
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I have less problem with this statement and I wish it was the statement you made originally.
But why do you include the base model? Wouldn't you be happy even if it wasn't the base model?
Scenario 1
M3 MBA 8Gb RAM 256Gb SSD $1100
M3 MBA 16Gb RAM 256Gb SSD $1300
Scenario 5
M3 MBA 8Gb RAM 256Gb SSD $900
M3 MBA 16Gb RAM 256Gb SSD $1100
Would you still be angry at Apple if they went with scenario 5 because the base model doesn't have 16Gb of RAM?
I see you ignored my main point - that you simply want to buy a steak but only pay for a hamburger.
If you want more than 8GB of RAM, buy it. If you only want to pay base-model price, buy a base model. But don't get upset with Apple that they're not giving you either free stuff (more RAM) or sale pricing. They're selling as many laptops as they can make.
Those many many happy Apple shoppers do in fact support my statement, and their shopping habits support Apple's business decisions. That's kind of explicitly how it works in the real world. If you can find millions more people like you and you all stop buying from Apple, then that's something they would notice.
But you simply wanting free RAM isn't going to change a thing except your blood pressure.
Like I said, it's overpriced so why do you think it's just free RAM? Apple did not change it for almost 10 years which is a plausible statement. $200 for 8GB is already a joke.
With your logic, how come apple increased SSD's speed then? You already failed to proof it after all.
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The issue you all miss is Apple is in it for the money. They do not want to see the loss of their income (greed) as a result of losing people paying an additional premium for 16GB. So if Apple made 16GB the new entry level, Apple would need to make up the loss of income from people who were previously paying the [outrageous] premium for 16GB. Therefore
Scenario 1
M3 MBA 8Gb RAM 256Gb SSD $1100
M3 MBA 16Gb RAM 256GB SSD $1300
Scenario 2a
M3 MBA 8Gb RAM 256Gb SSD Doesn't exist
M3 MBA 16Gb RAM 256Gb SSD $1150 (now the new base model)
You get your 16GB baseline and save money. But a large numbers of consumers who only needed a 8GB baseline have to pay more since Apple will maintain their profits no matter what.
So it is basically **** everyone else as long as I get a better deal. And that’s ok since I know what they need better than they do?
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But what you said isn't factual, it's your opinion.
"Overpriced" is your opinion, but clearly the market disagrees.
"$200 for 8GB is already a joke" is your opinion but once again the Apple-buying public disagree.
I'm not fanboying. I didn't say I liked Apple's prices, be it for base model configurations or upgrades. That was you making things up. Read that again if you need to.
All I said is that you seem to want free RAM (16GB instead of 8GB in their base model without increasing the price = 8GB of free RAM) when Apple has no need to do that, based on their sales. And I don't see you denying that. I just see you moving the goalposts and trying to argue points that other people never made in the first place.
Not that I want to get in the middle of this bickering, but I've been looking at the M3 Airs as my daughter is finding 8GB on her M1 Air to be an annoyance.
When you click to get 16GB, you also get the $100 processor upgrade (more GPU cores) included automatically, so that first bump to RAM isn't actually just a bump to the RAM. It's a $100 GPU improvement, and a $100 RAM bump. Yes, that's still above market rates for RAM, but less so than everyone is implying, and makes the cost a bit more palatable.
When you click to get 16GB, you also get the $100 processor upgrade (more GPU cores) included automatically, so that first bump to RAM isn't actually just a bump to the RAM. It's a $100 GPU improvement, and a $100 RAM bump. Yes, that's still above market rates for RAM, but less so than everyone is implying, and makes the cost a bit more palatable.
What I said it's fact. I told you how much does 16GB of regular RAM costs and yet, you never checked. Apple is not using regular RAMs but memory chips. What makes you think that I make things up? This is a well known issue to Mac and PC platforms and that's also why PC users mock Mac users.
You only wish to avoid the truth after all. If you still hate to admit, how about find me an info about the price of 8GB memory chip instead?
Also, more is better. Why do you hate it? You failed to prove it after all.
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For the vast majority of MacBook Air customers this storage speed is of no real concern. Unless you're constantly moving huge amounts of data or processing huge amounts of data... this has no real world impact. Their are other NAND metrics that are far more pertinent to real world performance..
Is it nice to see... yeah, maybe... will it make a difference for average consumer... unlikely. Most wouldn't even know about this situation to begin with.
Is it nice to see... yeah, maybe... will it make a difference for average consumer... unlikely. Most wouldn't even know about this situation to begin with.
Wow, all these surly demands.
I'll start with the last part. I don't have to prove anything to you, so you can stop acting like a little lord, demanding answers for why everyone might not agree with your take. We don't have to agree, and shouting at us doesn't ever make a point.
It also doesn't matter what RAM costs a company to buy (and you are saying I never checked? Are you spying on my browser history now? 🕵️). If you can buy yourself an 8GB stick of RAM on Amazon for $10 it does not change what Apple is charging, and what people will pay for it. Again, what you think a thing is worth does not change what a company charges for it, as long as others are willing to pay their price. That's super basic economics.
"Look at this Corvette! It's made of plastic for god's sake, how very dare Chevrolet charge more than $2000 for it! I refuse to pay any more than that!" Sounds pretty silly.
As for "Also, more is better. Why do you hate it? You failed to prove it after all." I don't even know where to begin with that. I'll say it again, you have no way of knowing what I think about Apple's pricing for RAM or other upgrades because I have not told you what I think about them. This is what's called a strawman argument - you're making things up and arguing against that, rather than what I have said, which is that Apple has no business reason to do what you want because they're a $2.6 trillion company and they have every reason to believe they don't need to change their business strategy.
Once again, you just want free RAM, 8GB more for the same price of what they're charging now. Apple doesn't seem to be interested in that approach. Go enjoy your hamburger or pay more and get steak, it's their restaurant and they make the prices.
Spot on.
What really cracks me up... is after a decade plus of complaining about base memory, many believe that one of these years Apple will bow down to their demands and double base memory for FREE.
Yeah... maybe that will happen on planet Ork.
maybe it's a bit of survivorship because apple has already driven the people that cared to PCs. Otherwise, why would macOS marketshare be hitting new lows every quarter?