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Steven SANH

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I have a 14PM since new and have had it just over two years! When I bought it, the battery Health was 100%. As you know, if you have AppleCare+ and your battery drops below 80%, Apple will replace it free of charge.

Well the anomaly I've noticed, is the battery health dropped gradually over time; but for over the past 6 months it has stayed on 85%. Not that I'm complaining, but it seems to be stuck on 85%. I would not like to imply it, but does Apple have some deceptiveness in keeping the battery level over 80%?

Could my issue be device specific? I charge the phone nightly. The battery lasts easily all day with normal use.
 
I have a 14PM since new and have had it just over two years! When I bought it, the battery Health was 100%. As you know, if you have AppleCare+ and your battery drops below 80%, Apple will replace it free of charge.

Well the anomaly I've noticed, is the battery health dropped gradually over time; but for over the past 6 months it has stayed on 85%. Not that I'm complaining, but it seems to be stuck on 85%. I would not like to imply it, but does Apple have some deceptiveness in keeping the battery level over 80%?

Could my issue be device specific? I charge the phone nightly. The battery lasts easily all day with normal use.
I don’t see Apple, running some sort of code to keep iPhone batteries above 80% so they don’t have to replace them. The class action lawsuit on that one would be just crazy.

I think the 100% issue is because it shows 100% of whatever spec so I think it doesn’t show over 100% if the spec is above 100% of that spec. For example, if it’s supposed to be 4000 mAh and it was 4300. It wouldn’t start going down below 100% till it hits 4000. That’s just my theory so I don’t know if that’s correct. That’s the only thing to me that could explain why they stay at 100% for so long. In theory it should drop to 99% rather quickly.


If it’s at 85% I would keep AppleCare on it till it goes down below 80%. It’s always good to have AppleCare just in case you drop it. Even without AppleCare, I think it’s only $99 to get a new battery installed by Apple
 
Totally normal. Common for all lithium devices to drop to 90-92% and then slowly trickle down from there. Your’e operating in the normal range….
 
Most of the damage occurs when people charge to 100%. When the battery can no longer retain full capacity, charging to “100%” no longer causes as much damage. Your “100%” charge is more like 90% actual. This is why the drop isn’t linear.

Once your battery capacity is down to 8x%, you’re already in the ideal range, so capacity doesn’t go down as fast.

This is why everyone (including Apple) suggests following the 80/20 rule.
 
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I don’t see Apple, running some sort of code to keep iPhone batteries above 80% so they don’t have to replace them. The class action lawsuit on that one would be just crazy.

I think the 100% issue is because it shows 100% of whatever spec so I think it doesn’t show over 100% if the spec is above 100% of that spec. For example, if it’s supposed to be 4000 mAh and it was 4300. It wouldn’t start going down below 100% till it hits 4000. That’s just my theory so I don’t know if that’s correct. That’s the only thing to me that could explain why they stay at 100% for so long. In theory it should drop to 99% rather quickly.


If it’s at 85% I would keep AppleCare on it till it goes down below 80%. It’s always good to have AppleCare just in case you drop it. Even without AppleCare, I think it’s only $99 to get a new battery installed by Apple
That's exactly what happens. My 15 Pro Max stayed at 100% for about 18 months because it actually came with a battery that was 105% of the design capacity for the phone. As soon as the actual capacity dropped below 100% of the design capacity my phone reported 99% battery health. It will now go down much quicker.
 
I have a 14PM since new and have had it just over two years! When I bought it, the battery Health was 100%. As you know, if you have AppleCare+ and your battery drops below 80%, Apple will replace it free of charge.

Well the anomaly I've noticed, is the battery health dropped gradually over time; but for over the past 6 months it has stayed on 85%. Not that I'm complaining, but it seems to be stuck on 85%. I would not like to imply it, but does Apple have some deceptiveness in keeping the battery level over 80%?

Could my issue be device specific? I charge the phone nightly. The battery lasts easily all day with normal use.
It could be the way batteries age. But then Apple is writing the software😝
 
As @russell_314 and @mrochester stated, the original capacity is typically above the designed, targeted, advertised level, which is good. However, because Apple doesn’t show err report to the user greater than 100%, the perception is skewed as to how long the battery maintains full capacity.

As @FeliApple described, capacity over use has an initially medium slope, then things almost level off as the battery chemistry settles into a comfort zone (so to speak), and the capability finishes with a nosedive.

The following graph provides a decent depiction.

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Here’s an actual Apple device example.
ipad-6_coconutbattery_final-log-png.2470596

I had it plotted, and it looked similar to the referenced graph. Unfortunately, I can’t locate which battery thread I originally posted the log visualized.

By the way, the recommendation to replace a battery at below 80-percent capacity is just an averaged, estimated guideline. Also:
This is why everyone (including Apple) suggests following the 80/20 rule.
These 20-80, 40-60, whatever rules have emerged primarily due to facts being taken out of context. Let’s begin with the 80-percent cutoff.
Apple said:
Your iPhone uses on-device machine learning to learn your daily charging routine so that Optimized Battery Charging activates only when your iPhone predicts it will be connected to a charger for an extended period of time. The algorithm aims to ensure that your iPhone is still fully charged when unplugged.

An extended period of time being, for example, six hours a day (e.g., overnight charging, on a charging stand in an office setting). A more prudent example would be using your MacBook mostly docked, when it could be connected to a charger, on average, 16+ hours per day.

The five, ten, and/or 20-percent low battery alerts vary by device type and are just that, notifying you the device may turn off/shut down in a(n unexpected) short period.

Deep discharging shouldn’t be dismissed. Although, when your iDevice or MacBook automatically powers off due to low battery, there’s still a significant amount of charge, presumably ~10%. Not only does this help prevent deep discharge, it also extends — that is, a user doesn’t need to prepare/plan for it — the usefulness of features such as Find My. Furthermore, ‘smart’ charging has been common for decades. In other words, a battery in an extremely low voltage state can often be recovered.

Apple said:

Store it half-charged when you store it long term.​

If you want to store your device long term, two key factors will affect the overall health of your battery: the environmental temperature and the percentage of charge on the battery when it’s powered down for storage. Therefore, we recommend the following:
  • Do not fully charge or fully discharge your device’s battery — charge it to around 50%. If you store a device when its battery is fully discharged, the battery could fall into a deep discharge state, which renders it incapable of holding a charge. Conversely, if you store it fully charged for an extended period of time, the battery may lose some capacity, leading to shorter battery life.
  • Power down the device to avoid additional battery use.
  • Place your device in a cool, moisture-free environment that’s less than 90° F (32° C).
  • If you plan to store your device for longer than six months, charge it to 50% every six months.
Depending on how long you store your device, it may be in a low-battery state when you remove it from long-term storage. After it’s removed from storage, it may require 20 minutes of charging with the original adapter before you can use it.

Basically, as long as the battery state doesn’t remain at the extremes (i.e., 0%, 100%) for long periods, it’s unlikely to affect the typical rate of degradation.

One more thing… Occasionally recalibrate.


It’s like routine maintenance to ensure a float gauge is making its complete travel, not becoming stuck, in a tank with buildup that reduces liquid capacity over time.
 
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As @russell_314 and @mrochester stated, the original capacity is typically above the designed, targeted, advertised level, which is good. However, because Apple doesn’t show err report to the user greater than 100%, the perception is skewed as to how long the battery maintains full capacity.
This is very interesting. I wonder if this makes Apple vulnerable to a lawsuit. Someone could argue that by showing the battery stays at 100% health for an extended period of time Apple is deceptively implying the battery is at full capacity when it’s not. I’m not encouraging this, but I know how the legal system in the USA and apparently now Great Britain works.
 
This is very interesting. I wonder if this makes Apple vulnerable to a lawsuit. Someone could argue that by showing the battery stays at 100% health for an extended period of time Apple is deceptively implying the battery is at full capacity when it’s not. I’m not encouraging this, but I know how the legal system in the USA and apparently now Great Britain works.
At 100% battery health the battery is at 100% or greater than the capacity it was sold with. I think it would be difficult to sue Apple on the basis that your battery was too good.
 
This is very interesting. I wonder if this makes Apple vulnerable to a lawsuit. Someone could argue that by showing the battery stays at 100% health for an extended period of time Apple is deceptively implying the battery is at full capacity when it’s not. I’m not encouraging this, but I know how the legal system in the USA and apparently now Great Britain works.
At 100% battery health the battery is at 100% or greater than the capacity it was sold with. I think it would be difficult to sue Apple on the basis that your battery was too good.
While I agree, you grossly underestimate the average U.S. consumer and law firms.


But seriously… To the numerous selfish, greedy *********, not showing that extra two to six-percent is still “lying.” They’ll continue to claim, “it was at 100% for [x] months, and now it dropped [several]% in just a few months.” Whether willingly ignorant or not, the people complaining are simply about pursuing more undeserved handouts.

And less we forget:
What is a “Battery Failure?” A third-generation iPod has experienced battery failure when “the capacity… to hold an electrical charge has dropped to four hours or less of continuous audio playback, with earbuds attached,” while first- and second-generation iPods have failed when they get “five hours or less of continuous audio playback, with earbuds attached.” Surprisingly, the definition does not mention whether the numbers need be reached with or without your screen’s backlight on. Regardless, your battery must have failed within two years of the date of purchase.

Basically, arbitrary nonsense.
 
I have a 14PM since new and have had it just over two years! When I bought it, the battery Health was 100%. As you know, if you have AppleCare+ and your battery drops below 80%, Apple will replace it free of charge.

Well the anomaly I've noticed, is the battery health dropped gradually over time; but for over the past 6 months it has stayed on 85%. Not that I'm complaining, but it seems to be stuck on 85%. I would not like to imply it, but does Apple have some deceptiveness in keeping the battery level over 80%?

Could my issue be device specific? I charge the phone nightly. The battery lasts easily all day with normal use.
Honestly, I have thought of this also. I have a Launch day 13 Pro Max, it had amazing battery life for a long time, even when it hit 99% just a few months later in Jan. 2022. It was a 1% drop every 6...maybe 8 weeks.

It was 91% back in Aug. 2023, it hit 90% in Dec. 2023...and actually stayed at 90% until Jan 2024.
It hit 89% at that time...here we are in May 2025, I'm still at 89%. (484 cycles) . Love this phone..The battery drain feels far worse than 89% to me, who knows. But I would love for this to drop below 80% to get a new battery. At this point, that may be in the year 2036. 🙄🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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