Be honest: Do you have buyer’s remorse, re your “new” MBP following the latest keynote?

[cupcakes2000]

I bought a Late 2014 iMac 27 for $500 a few months ago. Fabulous system and it does a ton of work for me. The CPU is 1/2 and M1 but it gets the job done and I love the speakers, display, etc. It's hard to spend $1,600 for a display when I got a nice display and a computer for one-third. The people that will buy and use these are in rarefied air.

You buy what you need I think. I have several displays, all of which cost me well over 2000. Then I’m a professional photographer so the display is the most important thing after my shooting equipment.
I think judging someone else for what they need when you know literally nothing but your own opinion on the matter is a bit of a fools errand.

 

[pshufd]

You buy what you need I think. I have several displays, all of which cost me well over 2000. Then I’m a professional photographer so the display is the most important thing after my shooting equipment.
I think judging someone else for what they need when you know literally nothing but your own opinion on the matter is a bit of a fools errand.

I'm talking about the vast majority of computer users. Not specialized uses. I've qualified that many times in many threads. Why would you think otherwise. I used to use Exadata systems. I do understand, and I hope that you do as well, that these aren't for the typical computer user.

 

[Macative]

What so everyone can complain about the fact you need to pay extra for a stand like they did with the other screen they make?

Making the base model cost the same with a stand or with a VESA mount is somehow bad? I still don’t get what you’re getting at.

Paying the same amount for less is not difficult to understand. Stop acting.

The fact that these are 3 skus that are not interchangeable at all and are a day 1 buying decision only is pathetic and inexcusable.

 

[SpecMode]

As per the title.

Apple seems to have gone from long update cycles, to updating relatively quickly.

You just know the next MBP will have Centre Stage & Ultra as an option. So for those os you who went for high end configurations, do you now feel a bit … “hurt?”

Just a question, not trying to start up hate here.

Nope. My nearly-maxed 14" M1 Max does everything I need/want it to, quietly, in a form factor that's perfect for me.

My only regret is that I can't get a full-sized desktop monitor of the same quality to go with it that wouldn't require me to take out a second mortgage.

 

[tekboi]

MBP 14" M1 Max owner here, and don't have any remorse whatsoever with my purchase. My work in Music and Video editing won't see any bottlenecks or hiccups for a very long time.

 

[Adult80HD]

I don't think the M1 Ultra will make it into the Macbook Pro. Looking at the cooling system of the Mac Studio, seems like the Ultra will need a more extensive cooling system. I mean we already have reports of the Macbook Pros getting quite heated with the M1 Max at full throttle. The Macbook Pros still needs to be a laptop.

Speaking of long update cycle, look at the 2020 M1 Macbook Air and Mac mini. They're not updated yet.

All I want is a predictable upgrade cycle so one can time the best moment to buy these expensive stuff. So far, Apple seems to be doing every other cycle of refresh.

What reports? I've struggled to ever get my 16" M1 Max to full throttle, and even when I've succeeded in doing so--and keeping it there for more than an hour--it barely got warm. I've not see any reports of them getting hot. Compared to my previous 2019 Intel MBP it's like an ice cube. That thing got HOT.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Considering the lower power of the new Ultra chip, it would be very easy to put that chip into a Macbook. Afterall most PCs generate far more heat than the Ultra chip does.

As far as value goes - the Studio's performance is cheaper, but when one adds a keyboard, mouse and monitor perhaps it costs the same as an equivalent in performance Macbook Pro ... but I haven't exactly added up those numbers. But for power users, the Ultra configuration doesn't cost double - when setup with RAM etc, its about 50% more than the Max Studeo. So for power users the Ultra is a no brainer.

For non power users, the Macbook Pro Max costs much the same (when you add a keyboard and a monitor and mouse) - but then, it's portable. And that's a major benefit.

 

[Reggaenald]

As per the title.

Apple seems to have gone from long update cycles, to updating relatively quickly.

You just know the next MBP will have Centre Stage & Ultra as an option. So for those os you who went for high end configurations, do you now feel a bit … “hurt?”

Just a question, not trying to start up hate here.

Looking at the cooling in the Studio, I only believe there will be an Ultra MBP when I see it.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I'm talking about the vast majority of computer users. Not specialized uses. I've qualified that many times in many threads. Why would you think otherwise. I used to use Exadata systems. I do understand, and I hope that you do as well, that these aren't for the typical computer user.

So what’s the issue then? You are right. These systems are specialist. So why compare it to buying a second hand 10 year old iMac to use as a screen?

Paying the same amount for less is not difficult to understand. Stop acting.

The fact that these are 3 skus that are not interchangeable at all and are a day 1 buying decision only is pathetic and inexcusable.

Acting? What are you talking about? It’s been a long-standing tradition in monitors that you can buy the version with the stand or have that stand swapped out for a Vesa mount. Why would the cost change? It’s not an unusual thing that Apple have done.
I cba to check for the likes of you but I’ll bet it’s the exact same way they have always done it in the past, re vesa or stand.

It’s certainly not a normal thing to suggest that the vesa mount should be free, or should have any claim to be cheaper. It’s not a monitor with no stand, it’s a monitor with a différent type of mount attachement which is not free.

 

[Malus120]

I thought I'd have a little bit of... not buyers remorse but... jealousy maybe? At least? Turns out I have absolutely none. The M1 Ultra looks amazing but given how fast and portable my M1 Max is, I'm just like "Oh that's nice..."
If anything the keynote reassured me I'd made the right choice.
(Well that AND it gave me more time to sell my MBA without the depreciation from having a new MBA or 13" MBP on the market LOL)

That said, if shorter update cycles bother you it's time to:
1. Stop worrying about having "the fastest, newest thing"
2. Develop a thicker skin
3. Better evaluate your purchasing decisions so that you buy what you need when you need it and can live without regret even if something faster comes along in 6 months.

Honestly a lot of people seem to have forgotten (thanks to a decade of stagnation by Intel) but back in the 90s and 2000s (and to a lesser degree the early 2010s) it wasn't uncommon for computers (even Macs) to receive upgrades every 6-8 months. For a long time "yearly upgrades" were considered the bare minimum.

 

[pshufd]

Looking at the cooling in the Studio, I only believe there will be an Ultra MBP when I see it.

It would be hard to envision a MacBook Pro with a two pound copper heatsink.

 

[pshufd]

So what’s the issue then? You are right. These systems are specialist. So why compare it to buying a second hand 10 year old iMac to use as a screen?

Because 27 inch iMacs with Intel chips have a significant consumer customer base given the price range. The Studio solution is outside the consumer price range. It also emphasizes one of the reasons that 27 inch iMacs are so popular: the value equation of the display and computer where the whole costs a lot less than the sum of the parts. If you want a great display with Mac, then used iMacs can be a great solution if you don't need heavy computer.

The alternative outside of that is Hackintosh or macOS KVM/QEMU.

 

[YanniDepp]

Considering the lower power of the new Ultra chip, it would be very easy to put that chip into a Macbook.

It's not low power though.

It's low power compared to a top-of-the-line Intel i9 running full-pelt, but that's not saying much. The M1 Ultra is not a low power chip.

The Mac Studio with M1 Max weighs 2.7kg

The Mac Studio with M1 Ultra weighs 3.6kg

Why the extra 0.9kg? Extra cooling. The M1 Ultra has a copper heatsink instead of aluminium.

That's not the kind of chip you stuff into a MacBook.

 

[Macative]

So what’s the issue then? You are right. These systems are specialist. So why compare it to buying a second hand 10 year old iMac to use as a screen?

Acting? What are you talking about? It’s been a long-standing tradition in monitors that you can buy the version with the stand or have that stand swapped out for a Vesa mount. Why would the cost change? It’s not an unusual thing that Apple have done.
I cba to check for the likes of you but I’ll bet it’s the exact same way they have always done it in the past, re vesa or stand.

It’s certainly not a normal thing to suggest that the vesa mount should be free, or should have any claim to be cheaper. It’s not a monitor with no stand, it’s a monitor with a différent type of mount attachement which is not free.

The only thing they should be offering is a built in VESA mount with optional stands that attach to it, and cost whatever they want to charge for them. Period.

 

[AbhiAchShan]

As per the title.

Apple seems to have gone from long update cycles, to updating relatively quickly.

You just know the next MBP will have Centre Stage & Ultra as an option. So for those os you who went for high end configurations, do you now feel a bit … “hurt?”

Just a question, not trying to start up hate here.

I was planning to buy, but now gonna wait for the next upgrade of MBP

 

[ofarlig]

Bought the 14" Pro a month ago, and nothing shown at this event has anything to do with the MBP.

I don't think they will have a new chip to throw into it until Q4 at the earliest and I think that is being very optimistic. Seeing how the current shortages are I think it is more realistic to expect the M2 to debut in the second half of 2022 and the 14"/16" Pros being updated in the first half of 2023.

I hope I am wrong because I never say no to switching to something new and fun.

 

[pshufd]

Bought the 14" Pro a month ago, and nothing shown at this event has anything to do with the MBP.

I don't think they will have a new chip to throw into it until Q4 at the earliest and I think that is being very optimistic. Seeing how the current shortages are I think it is more realistic to expect the M2 to debut in the second half of 2022 and the 14"/16" Pros being updated in the first half of 2023.

I hope I am wrong because I never say no to switching to something new and fun.

My idea is to buy a laptop and keep it for a decade but upgrade after seven years where I use the old laptop as a backup. This is due to software requiring more resources with time. My 2014 MacBook Pro 15 is still quite usable and I sometimes use it when the 2021 isn't handy. The only downsides are battery life and thermals. I could see using the 2021 until 2031 though. The amount of power in this thing is probably triple what I need at home and probably double what I need on the road. It is just so stupidly fast.

And then there's the M1 Max and M1 Ultra. I am fairly glad that I did not get the M1 Max. I may one day buy an M1 Ultra if I can find a valid use for it. It could easily replace all of my desktop hardware but there's nothing wrong with my current desktop hardware.

 

[JahBoolean]

At my time of purchase, buying a new device was a NECESSITY, and I do not regret pulling the trigger at all. Being that I could also get the latest and greatest design from Apple was neat, but no more an obsession.

It was a hard thing to shed, considering Apple's impeccable marketing acumen, but letting go of that semi-conscious need to trail the bleeding edge was one of the healthier things I did this year.

Considering my Pro still shares the same "envelope" that'll mitigate any design anxiety about my apple device for a while.

And as far as performance, being that the grunt of my compute useage is either made offshore or on my dedicated box, the pro will run around the tasks it is assigned for a while.

And finally, as far as display performance, I do think that apple with keep the current panel for a while, that is until they unveil Ultramotion when 200+ hz panels mature. So I'm covered on that front.

I was weary about my choice to opt for 16 GB of RAM, but I am still to see more than 100 Mb of swap, so that anxiety has been cured the moment being.

 

[cupcakes2000]

The only thing they should be offering is a built in VESA mount with optional stands that attach to it, and cost whatever they want to charge for them. Period.

So after months of complaining that they charge for a stand, you want them to charge for a stand?

Do many other monitor makers do this? I don’t think so. It’s always a special build to get a Vesa mount.

 

[TimFL1]

I went ahead and justified a purchase of a MBP 16.2“ M1 Pro, 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD (space grey) just now after the lackluster event.

Going to retire my old 2018 15“ Pro, which has the butterfly curse and comes up on the 4 year butterfly warranty in a few months. I‘ll do one last repair of that for a new battery and the 3rd gen butterfly keyboard (my last repair was a few weeks before these hit, had issues again a few months after the repair but was too lazy to go through a repair again since I mostly use it in clamshell anyways) and then hand it down to my parents or friends.

I‘ll try to start going macOS fulltime, downgrading my gaming PC to a streaming machine for the few tools I can‘t use on macOS.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

hard to regret something that'll definitely cost 5K+ if it ever makes it into a notebook.

 

[Macative]

So after months of complaining that they charge for a stand, you want them to charge for a stand?

Do many other monitor makers do this? I don’t think so. It’s always a special build to get a Vesa mount.

What? Every monitor on the market has VESA mounts built right into it, and has a removable stand. This is not news.

In order to make the display more affordable, since Apple insists on their displays having absurdly over engineered stands, yes they should charge separately for them, and remove that cost from the display itself.

The display should come with VESA built in, and should cost $999 in that configuration. Apple can then charge whatever it wants for stands.

 

[cupcakes2000]

What? Every monitor on the market has VESA mounts built right into it, and has a removable stand. This is not news.

In order to make the display more affordable, since Apple insists on their displays having absurdly over engineered stands, yes they should charge separately for them, and remove that cost from the display itself.

The display should come with VESA built in, and should cost $999 in that configuration. Apple can then charge whatever it wants for stands.

What a load of crock. Every monitor on the market. Haha. I’m looking at several right in front of me, non of which have Vesa mounts - except the one which I configured to have at the time of purchase.

Anyway. Just buy it with the Vesa mount? I don’t get your point except you just want Apple to price it how you want.

 

[Technerd108]

buyers remorse?? No way. In fact I am even more happy with my purchase and decision. My 16" 120hz Mini led pro motion display and M1 Max cost me pretty close to a Studio without a monitor and there is no 120hz option.

Also my MBP has great battery life, great speakers, and is no slouch in performance.

Honestly I think Apple is on the right track hardware wise!

 

[ader42]

I’m still waiting for my 16” M1 Max MBP to arrive… so could cancel the MBP order.

The main reason I went for the M1 Max was because I wanted the best performance I could get.
The M1 Max Studio would have been cheaper (but not portable and without a display, keyboard and trackpad).
But the Studio Max will also likely be faster as it will be able to draw more power.

I’ve been bemused and underwhelmed by Apple’s indications that the £5,000 Ultra will not be much faster than the £2,200 Max in Cinema4D Redshift rendering. Video performance has zero interest to me.

I guess I have to wait for the test results to see how mcuh better the Studio is before I decide what to do.

If the Ultra Studio is not massively faster for what I do than the M1 Max MBP then I will stick to the MBP for the nice display and portability (I’m leaning towards the MBP).