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iMeowbot said:
No, you are missing several important aspects. Permission to use the recordings is contingent upon permission to use the underlying compositions, but those rights were already settled by pre-existing contracts long before the ATV buyout.

It is most definitely not correct to assume that the author of a composition receives rights to do arbitrary things with recordings of those compositions. The rights to those are indeed distinct.

Northern Songs is the publisher for most of those works, but not the producer. The producer is EMI or Apple for virtually all those recordings, with control largely in the hands of Apple Corps.

Except that those other songs do turn up on radio, and frequently. I wish that some of the oldies stations would take a break from incessantly playing "In My Life". Are you at all familiar with compulsory licenses?

Sorry Meow, but I must disagree again...I am talking about the prime source of the copyright, which is only one thing: the song and its elements.

As you said, recording rights were settled via contracts, and that's what I said...there were previous licensing agreements for usage of recordings and related things.

Again, the author indeed has ALL rights (although this is slightly different in Roman law systems, which employ the concept of inalienable moral rights, not totally accepted in the US and other Anglo-Saxon systems)...

This "total rights paradigm" obviously exists up to the extent that the author makes use of a producer such as EMI or Apple Corps (you are right in one thing: NS were not the producers, but in fact THE copyright holders)...consequently, Apple Corps has the producer's ancillary reproduction/distribution rights which arise from the author himself (when he decided to use a separate producer).

And then, Northern Songs has sold most of its rights to MJ et al., as far as I know.

Compulsory licenses? For what, songs? Please clarify...
 
I seriously doubt this. Beatle-Apple protect Beatle songs like a national treasure because they charge (much) more for everything. The prices on Beatles cd's are still outrageous, as, I suspect, they always have been. I can't see how this would fit the itunes shop price structure.
 
while maybe the beatles catalog will be coming to itunes I think his statement was probably to say to the court that they will be entering online distribution themselves in some form and thats why this will really be hurting them. Or something like that. I'm not a wordsmith.
 
180 degree flip

Might this milestone be the result of the legal case? In other words, did haggling over rights to the Apple logo or name, for use in the music business, bring the parties together and actually contribute to a deal to bring the Beatles music to the iTunes Music Store?
 
Maybe my ad for OSX Leopard will come true. "full 64 bit support" along with the chorus of the Beatle's "When I'm 64". :D

Seriously, I hope this whole legal issue finds an end. I kinda like the Beatle's iPod idea. I want it white with the famous crosswalk album art engraved on the back.
 
aswitcher said:
I bet they offer the whole collection for a special price! I wonder how much...

I think you're onto something there. Like they did the U2 catalogue. Maybe something similar for one fixed price, this gets them around the current, vastly superior but probably to be effed up by big evil dumb record companies soon, 99 cent pricing. If they say sold 80 songs for $100. Who knows, I'm still a bit skeptical this will come true.
 
Generally the record label owns and controls the original master recordings and can usually do with them what they see fit. Even if the performer is also the author and copyright holder of the song, the master rights for the original recordings remain with the label.
 
Where does it say iTunes?

Did anyone read the quote, he just says they are re-mastering the tracks for digital downloads...he never says for iTunes. Has anyone seen the court transcript, maybe the qoute was in response to a question about ITMS, but it seems premature to speculate the just because they are remastering them for digital downloads, that it automatically means ITMS. Wasn't there news/rumors a few months ago about MS offering Apple Corps big bucks to have their songs be in one of the 'Play for Sure" stores?

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It only mentions that they're remastering it, not that it's coming out on iTunes.

Could be Windows Media, just to piss off Apple.

edit: You have got to be kidding me lol, good call hughdogg.
 
hughdogg said:
Did anyone read the quote, he just says they are re-mastering the tracks for digital downloads...he never says for iTunes. Has anyone seen the court transcript, maybe the qoute was in response to a question about ITMS, but it seems premature to speculate the just because they are remastering them for digital downloads, that it automatically means ITMS. Wasn't there news/rumors a few months ago about MS offering Apple Corps big bucks to have their songs be in one of the 'Play for Sure" stores?

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You beat me to the punch-- nowhere does the article say the remastered Beatles tunes are being prepared for itunes. That catalog could float a new store; or give legitimacy to one of the miserable failures like napster or real or microsoft. Plus a move like that would really serve as a sharp stick in the eye of Apple computer--
 
BRLawyer said:
Sorry Meow, but I must disagree again...I am talking about the prime source of the copyright, which is only one thing: the song and its elements.

No, recording rights are distinct animals. This is spelled out in the Rome Convention (1961), amplified by the Phonograms Convention (1971), and expanded by WPPT (1996).

Those rights have different names in different locales. In countries aligned with the UK convention, they are called phonogram rights. In the US, they are sound recording copyrights. In the strange strange land of WIPO, they fall under the vague moniker of "related rights" -- even though they are not necessarily related to other rights!

I will explain by example. Take the song "To Anacreon in Heaven", written about 1765. (US readers will know this as the melody to "The Star Spangled Banner".) This melody is old enough to be in the public domain everywhere.

There was a very famous performance of this public domain piece in 1969, by Jimi Hendrix at the Woodstock festival. This performance was recorded, and a film was also made of the proceeding. Three separate sets of rights were thus created: the right to the performance, which originated with Hendrix; the phonogram rights, belonging to Warner Bros-Seven Arts; and the film copyright, also belonging to Warner.

Now, there were some interdependencies here. Warner had to somehow obtain the right to use the Hendrix performance in their sound recording, and they separately had to obtain those rights for the film (although, as an expedient, a single contract may well have covered rights for both uses). This did not, however, transfer the film copyright or phonogram right to Hendrix; those belonged to the people who did the filming and recording. Despite all those rights (which are still in effect), the composition itself remains in the public domain.

In a simpler example, Chopin has been dead for over 150 years so all his work is in the public domain. A new recording of his work will still be protected. Likewise, if the copyright in a composition expires, that does not affect recordings of that composition; those rights expire independently.

(It is possible for these situations to become more complicated, if a newer arrangement is used; there will be a copyright attached to the new arrangement.)

Compulsory licenses? For what, songs? Please clarify...
Yes, these exist in many countries, usually for radio, but increasingly for other uses like internet streams as well. Under such systems, broadcasters can play any released recordings, on the condition that they keep track of what they play and hand over a predefined fee, normally set by each country. Conventionally, performing rights organizations in each country are responsible for collecting these royalties and distributing them to publishers.
 
hughdogg said:
Did anyone read the quote, he just says they are re-mastering the tracks for digital downloads...he never says for iTunes. Has anyone seen the court transcript, maybe the qoute was in response to a question about ITMS, but it seems premature to speculate the just because they are remastering them for digital downloads, that it automatically means ITMS.
It's big news if they are indeed going with iTMS. And equally big news if they go with another service (or services) but not iTMS. If it was the latter, however, I'd be surprised that Apple Corps would speak of it while the trial is still in progress. So my money is on iTMS.
 
Lots of mis-leading information in this post.

First off, according to the Starpulse article, "the company is currently battling Apple Computer over its logo." The Lawsuit is not about Apple's Logo.

Also, according to this post, "the Beatles catalog is in the process of being remastered for distribution on iTunes." Nowhere in the Starpulse article, or the quote from Aspinall, does it mention iTunes. It simply said they're getting it ready for digital distribution. It may not be on iTunes.
 
I would love to be able to buy Beatles music online... so I hope this is correct.

Beatles music is excellent, and timeless. Far better than a lot of today's music.. if you can call it 'music'.

This took talent, a lot of of modern music doesn't.
 
lilstewart said:
Sweet, I love the Beatles, you just gotta love 'em. :)

What are these "Beatles" you speak of, and aren't you all spelling it wrong?
Isn't it "Beetles", and why would you want a "Catalog" on beetles in ITunes, in the Video section?

Oh, You guys are Lovers of Science! Entomology! I love it too!
But, if you're going to offer Scientific Video section, why not start with Nasa?
;)
 
phatpat88 said:
seriously, is this the end of the world as we know it?

next the israelis and palestinians will be singing christian rock together.

It must be the end of the world check out this link

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/ee...e9355ea0ee6c2a6085257021004f90c5!OpenDocument

"Palestinian singer Wissam Murad, from the musical group Sabreen, and Israeli pop star David Broza collaborated to perform the featured song in the films. Both sing the same message of peace and humanity -- in Arabic and Hebrew, respectively."

Oh well.... I lived a good life
 
ppc_michael said:
Hi, my name's Apple Corps. I'm going to sue you, but I also want to use you to make more money.

And yes, where the hell is Radiohead??

Did someone steal Bill Gates?
Apple Corp. will have to pay a royalty to Microsoft for stealing their "Innovation".
 
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