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Beeper Mini on Continued Outages: 'It's Super Annoying That Apple is Penalizing Their Own Customers'
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This is so stupid and frustrating that the government wants to investigate Apple instead of the leechware that tried to exploit a hole in Apple’s system to use Apple’s software, services, and server space for free without Apple’s consent, and in direct violation of the terms of use for said services. 😡🤦🏼♂️.Now some more legislators are trying to push the DOJ to investigate Apple. Not to throw this thread off topic, but congress has FAR more important issues they need to address than this ridiculous issue. I can't believe it'll go anywhere, who knows.
US lawmakers push DOJ to investigate Apple following Beeper shutdowns
More pressure on that battle over blue bubbles.www.theverge.com
The government should stay out of it completely. Let it play out in court through legal system if anything.
As an iPhone/Apple fanatic, I never thought I'd say this but... a foldable has made smartphones exciting again. There's something magical about folding/unfolding it. It's cumbersome, but weirdly awesome.time to switch that work phone to an apple phone
I wish it runs iOS. 😁
I’m glad you enjoy foldables, personally, the plastic feel of the screens and that crease in the display would drive me nuts. 👍🏻. Hopefully foldable technology improves and removes those disadvantages, because I wouldn’t want to use a current foldable. But again, I’m glad that some enjoy it, and that you like it. 👍🏻
There is something wrong with the system that lets companies who defend themselves against companies that hack servers get investigated. Frankly those lawmakers have to be forced into retirement.
I remember flip phones, they were cool back in the day.
The article refers to "Market penetration", not any kind of usage level other than to it's own little niche, i.e. against itself. It's a flowery marketing term to make things look good for the companies, yet really doesn't mean a heck of a lot. I had to look it up. Market share means more, but how do you measure market share when all those apps run on just about everything -- except iMessage.
How many messages sent and received by each device type / app might answer the question, but I've never seen any number like that from anyone.
Sorry, but that doesn't clarify what he said at all. And your dismissal of market penetration as a useful statistic is even more confusing. It's simply a survey of which apps people are using.
Was to supposedly show what messaging is being used in US. Stats are for penetration / time. Two things are not the same.
Update: thx @bobcomer !
Anytime I receive an SMS, MMS, or iMessage. Basically any message that requires the default Apple app.
I don't get the distinction you are trying to make here. Are you implying people are claiming to use the apps but not using them?!? It's a survey of what people are using.
SMS and MMS are not iMessage. And of course you use iMessage when you use iMessage. How is that Apple telling you what to do?
See @bobcomer reply (post #359) - he explained it better than I did.
If you receive an SMS/MMS you are forced to use The default. That is iMessage.
I already responded to his comment. His explanation had nothing to do with the conversation as far as I can tell. The stat showed which messaging apps people are using in the US based on a survey. Seems reasonable to me.
No, it's not. iMessage is a service. You're evidently referring to the Messages app.
That's not what it shows. Usage <> market penetration.
mar·ket pen·e·tra·tion
noun
- the extent to which a product is recognized and bought by customers in a particular market.
"the company continued to increase market penetration"
And since you don't buy any of these products, all you have is recognized.
People probably don't recognize iMessage as much is because it's just the app "messages" on their phone.
Again, I understand that. I just don't know what it has to do with the conversation. Two things being different doesn't make one of them meaningless.
Quit nit-pickin’
You have to use iOS/iPadOS Messages which is the Apple app for this.
I'll give that the original survey description is extremely badly written (so much so I'd really ignore what it says anyway), it does talk about usage in the subtext, but it calls it "Messenger App Penetration", which means 2 different things that aren't the same.
Also, the data doesn't show that the survey respondents only use one of the choices, just the one they say. I really hate statistics like this, they're made to show a point that the original author intended to show and that's it, and this one isn't even that well written or defined.
I can't download the source because I'm not going to pay these guys, but without that, I'm going by the title and just assuming the whole thing is just badly written tripe and ignore it. You can continue to think that's what it says, but you know why I say different and why I disagree with what you say.
It’s not nit-picking to point out that your claim you kept making repeatedly was false. Besides, it’s not even accurate to say that you’re “forced” to use the Messages app to receive SMS/MMS, because there are several third party apps that can receive SMS/MMS.
I don't understand what's so confusing. The survey asks which apps you use. People respond with all the apps they use.
Why would they "show that the survey respondents only use one of the choices"?
Say Bob uses iMessage and WhatsApp, Jane uses WhatsApp, and Sam uses WhatsApp, iMessage, and Telegram. If they are the entire market, than the market penetration for WhatsApp is 100%, iMessage is 66%, and Telegram is 33%. These are clear, useful statistics.
It isn't Apple's responsibility to make SMS/MMS E2EE (end 2 end encrypted). SMS is the fallback for messages. There is a case that could be made that a default fallback should be available to all Messaging Apps that allows them to interoperate but I do not know if that fallback should be SMS.
If you want secure messaging with Android you cannot use the messages app, that is not Apple's fault nor is it their responsibility to fix this.
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Messages is for SMS/MMS or iMessage, yes you are forced to use it for SMS/MMS. You are not forced to use for anything else. Perhaps you believe that the EU regulation on interoperability should require that SMS/MMS be the universal protocol that all messaging apps use to communicate, in which case Apple would have to open up the SMS system.
Well, if you’re just going to dismiss these statistics which disagree with your assumption, and “assuming the whole thing is just badly written tripe and ignore it”, then maybe you could do us all a favor by providing the statistics you believe contradict these ones and support your position? I’ll be waiting… Or, is it possible you’re just ignoring and dismissing statistics because they don’t line up with your assertions, and you’re unwilling to admit you’re potentially wrong?…
That work in place of Messages? Try again. Those have their own “unique” number and cannot be the default iOS/iPadOS recipient.
That has been raised before in this thread.
Also previously answered.
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