If that's the case then <insert deity here> help them all now that Android based phones meet or exceed the feature set, capability, power, etc of the iPhone. Supporting them all on the same network should be even more troublesome.
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If that's the case then <insert deity here> help them all now that Android based phones meet or exceed the feature set, capability, power, etc of the iPhone. Supporting them all on the same network should be even more troublesome.
Perhaps. But do people REALLY want to go to CDMA? I had to sit in on a conference call the other day. I was on vacation (curse this always connected expectation! //shake fist) and dialed in. I was listening on my head phones and surfing the web, sending emails, and texting at the same time to break up the monotony.
Until CDMA can handle voice and data simultanesouly, no thanks.
Just to show you how different VZ and Sprint are, most of their phones don't even have SIM cards or anything like it. Look here:
It's a little old, but shows how different the networks were and still are.
LTE Verizon iPhone
Yeah i agree, i think that is about 2 years away, which so happens to be around the time their exclusive agreement ends with At&t. I think by waiting, it will be to Apple's advantage anyways, because they dont have to build an exclusive CDMA phone to Verizon which will cost them more money to do, when its a dying technology. So by waiting till LTE becomes widespread, they can put in the GSM/CDMA radios in the same phone and the cost wont be as much.
Yeah i agree, i think that is about 2 years away, which so happens to be around the time their exclusive agreement ends with At&t. I think by waiting, it will be to Apple's advantage anyways, because they dont have to build an exclusive CDMA phone to Verizon which will cost them more money to do, when its a dying technology. So by waiting till LTE becomes widespread, they can put in the GSM/CDMA radios in the same phone and the cost wont be as much.
Actually, Cingular was owned by SBC & BellSouth. Then SBC bought BellSouth. Then SBC bought AT&T, the failing long-distance company, and renamed the whole hairball AT&T.
Oh, and the folks who say that Cingular bought AT&T Wireless (which was spun off as a separate stock by the old long-distance AT&T) are correct.
But it is all basically those Texans known as SBC running the show.
Typical
Build it and they will come
Charge extra for it and they will tell you to bugger off
Lame, lame, lame. This is totally untrue. If anybody watches the keynotes in 2007, he shared how much love at&t(Cingular) and Apple had shared. They did innovation together, they make money together. At times, even Steve Jobs backed up at&t. In the 2007 Macworld keynote, Jobs even hinted that AT&T and Apple will be bringing products to market together over the years. Uh, hello? iPad anyone? Even Apple partnered with Motorola to make an iTunes phone with Cingular(at&t) being the carrier in 2005. I have read the article from Wired not too long ago. But it wasn't this article, it was an article shortly after iPhone 2007 was released. And it was a very informative article and made more sense and put the puzzle together. I believe that this was somewhat the real untold story.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/magazine/16-02/ff_iphone?currentPage=1
There is the link, read it & think.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/magazine/16-02/ff_iphone?currentPage=1
There is the link, read it & think.
More anonymous sources
Where did real journalism go?....where they investigate and interview the people that were actually involved?
I feel like I am being scammed once again......all to increase the 'click' counts on these webs sites.
By the way, if this was true, a few billion dollars of profits between friends makes it easy to forget your past differences.
Where did real journalism go?....where they investigate and interview the people that were actually involved?
I feel like I am being scammed once again......all to increase the 'click' counts on these webs sites.
By the way, if this was true, a few billion dollars of profits between friends makes it easy to forget your past differences.
It died giving birth to the internet.
OTOH - AT&T's image is really tarnished from the iPhone. It seems like one can blame Apple for plenty of dropped calls. One only has to look at the iPhone 4 to realize that. When Jobs says the dropped calls will happen on any network, it's probably because he's thinking in terms of the iPhone's design limitations.
Wow, it must be nice to live in a real country; your cell phone companies don't think the home country is the only one on this planet.
Verizon and Sprint are provincial, small thinking cell phone companies without SIM cards. They seemingly cater to Americans who never bother to leave the country. Verizon does offer some world phones, but these are the exception to the rule.
But they sure love that Verizon branding. <blech>
FYI. Other countries like "CANADA" for example do not have AT&T (American Telephone & Telegraph) as a carrier. No dropped calls here in years on my iPhone 3GS well except for when on the ferry between Vancouver Island and Vancouver. Even edge drops out for a couple of minutes but then I can call again no problem.It died giving birth to the internet.
OTOH - AT&T's image is really tarnished from the iPhone. It seems like one can blame Apple for plenty of dropped calls. One only has to look at the iPhone 4 to realize that. When Jobs says the dropped calls will happen on any network, it's probably because he's thinking in terms of the iPhone's design limitations.
You can try to blame the iPhone or the number of people or the size of the US but, Canada is larger geographically, has a lot of cellphone users in the larger cities especially during tourist season and faster speeds. We paid a bit more than you guys did when you had unlimited data but our networks always worked.
The reason? In the US, everything goes to the lowest bidder without any concern for quality. In a nutshell, you get what you pay for. Everyone in the US is out to make a quick buck and nobody (read verizon) is looking at the big picture. Verizon thinks that CDMA is still acceptable and that everyone can sit and wait for LTE. Verizon is all about their ugly branding and bundling of their apps. You cannot get AGPS on any other program on Verizon besides their own Navigator app.
Come to Canada and buy unlocked iPhone 4s for $699/$799 (16GB/3GB) starting July 30 or iPhone 3GS 8GB for $549, no contract and use with whoever you want. I know if I were living in the US I'd much rather be with T-Mobile on the GSM side, although really with all the Canadian carriers on the GSM/HSPA boat, it's only a matter of time before Verizon jumps ship, no?
Let's not forget that BOTH AT&T's and VZW's LTE network will be data only, so the voice will still have to go through that CDMA on the VZW side.
Yet again, there are many a country in Asia that uses CDMA and many place were AT&T's GSM is crap compared to Sprint's CDMA
Yet again, using voice and data at the same time is moot for many.
Yet again Apple would have a boat load of money waiting for them after putting the iPhone on VZW.
Again, Apple would be helping AT&T's crap network by putting the iPhone on VZW's network.
And once more everyone is getting plenty tired of the same rumor, the same FUD, and the same mis-information/opinions being tossed around.
But I digress.
Sprint has said they are open to LTE in addition to WiMax. So, if the winds of change start blowing that way, they'll convert.
To those who say Verizon's 4G network would need a significant rollout to make sense, when Apple launched the 3G iphone, AT&T's 3G network didn't cover everyone. If Verizon is gearing up to launch in the coming months, their network should be decent sized by January, June, or whenever Apple would decide to launch.
What I am curious about is whether a dual-band phone could use the best available tower whether it be CDMA or GSM. I'm guessing not since there'd be no reason for AT&T and Verizon (as an example) to have the traffic sharing agreements like the ones AT&T and T-mobile have.
iPhone on Verizon
Get your head out of the sand, Apple won't be making a Verizon phone because it's CDMA, that's not worldwide. Jobs bet on the worldwide standard by choosing GSM. GSM=World=$
The only way I can see Apple making a phone for the Verizon's network will be if with a future 4G release, again if Apple chooses to use LTE.
Get your head out of the sand, Apple won't be making a Verizon phone because it's CDMA, that's not worldwide. Jobs bet on the worldwide standard by choosing GSM. GSM=World=$
The only way I can see Apple making a phone for the Verizon's network will be if with a future 4G release, again if Apple chooses to use LTE.
Apple doesn't have a choice of if they'll use LTE. Their choice is when they'll adopt it.
I'm still waiting for that fire to be lit up under At&T's butt in my area.
That is one reason why I'm surprised that the iPhone isn't on other carriers. Pushing aside all of the technical changes required to run on VZW or Sprint, the simple fact of all these Apple customers would be able to pick their favorite carrier & would be happier overall. This would allow Apple to save face with their product & make AT&T improve their network. In the meantime, with iPhone users jumping to the competition, those who still want AT&T will have more bandwidth to play with due to fewer users on the network. How can this not be a win-win situation for everyone?
mxsweb said:
Did anyone else miss the Verizon "news" earlier today. If it's been brought up, I'm sorry. I chose not to read all of the posts.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/verizons-4g-lte-sim-in-the-wild/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/verizon-fivespot-cdma-gsm-mobile-wifi-hotspot-leaks-out/