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Who is the star of Beijing 08

  • China's Table Tennis team - 4 out of 4 golds

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  • Tirunesh Dibaba - 2 golds - Women's 5,000 & 10,000 meters

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  • Kenenisa Bekele - 2 golds - Men's 5,000 & 10,000 meters

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  • Total voters
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I don't agree with that. A runner could run the 100, 200, 400, 800, a few relays, and have a chance to get as many. They don't, because it's too hard. But that's what Phelps did. Different races and different distances. People seem to think one swim event is the same as another, but they're not. The difference between a 200m Butterfly and a 50m freestyle--being totally different swimming disciplines--is just as great (or more) than the difference between a 100m sprint and 400m race.

100, 200, 400 and 800 and a few relays (that's a maximum of 6)... That shows you know nothing about track and field.
 
A runner could run the 100, 200, 400, 800, a few relays, and have a chance to get as many. They don't, because it's too hard. But that's what Phelps did. [...] The difference between a 200m Butterfly and a 50m freestyle--being totally different swimming disciplines--is just as great (or more) than the difference between a 100m sprint and 400m race.

I don't disagree that swimming different strokes is more difficult than most people probably think, but the kind of training you go through for the various sprint races is even more different, IMO.

Sure, some 100 sprinters can be good 800 sprinters (Michael Johnson is a good example), but they're the exception rather than the rule. I'd argue that you'll never see a 100m sprinter race the 800. Those races are simply too different.
 
Actually, I agree with this. I was talking to some friends about this, and we all agreed that Phelps probably isn't the "greatest Olympian ever" simply because athletes in other sports can't compete in as many events based on their one skill.
We were having a discussion in the pub a week or so ago about whether Phelps should be considered the greatest Olympian. I argued that he shouldn't, simply because I don't think you can compare achievements in hugely different sports in this way.

Can he be considered a greater Olympian than, say, rower Sir Steve Regdrave, who won gold at five consecutive Games in one of the most physically gruelling Olympic disciplines? Or what about Aladár Gerevich, who won seven fencing golds (plus a silver and a couple of bronze) at six different games over a period of 28 years – despite missing two Olympiads due to the Second World War? I don't think Phelps can, but equally I don't think you can elevate others from different sports above his achievements either.

Personally, I prefer to think of an elite group of greatest ever Olympians rather than one individual standing head and shoulders above the other – it's just too subjective to pick just one. I'd list Phelps among their number, mind.
 
I don't agree with that. A runner could run the 100, 200, 400, 800, a few relays, and have a chance to get as many. They don't, because it's too hard. But that's what Phelps did. Different races and different distances. People seem to think one swim event is the same as another, but they're not. The difference between a 200m Butterfly and a 50m freestyle--being totally different swimming disciplines--is just as great (or more) than the difference between a 100m sprint and 400m race.

that is the most relevant sentence on this subject on the last several pages of this thread.

could you kindly remind me who is the last athlete who qualified for an olympic or world championship final in both the 100m and the 800m (let alone winning both races)?

on the other hand, a dominant swimmer will frequently participate in several finals (with a chance of winning them).

what Phelps (and spitz before him) did was obviously phenomenal, but in the realm of doable.
to win 8 gold medals in running events is impossible.
 
what Phelps (and spitz before him) did was obviously phenomenal, but in the realm of doable.
to win 8 gold medals in running events is impossible.

Or maybe Phelps is a better swimming than the others are runners. I just don't believe that it's harder for runners to do than swimmers.
 
Or maybe Phelps is a better swimming than the others are runners. I just don't believe that it's harder for runners to do than swimmers.

if it was as you say, some runners would at least try to compete at high levels in more disciplines, the fact that it is unheard of in running and common in swimming suggests me that it is harder to compete in different running disciplines than in different swimming ones.

imagine if they would assign three medals in high jump: one for fosbury-style, one for straddle-style and one for the scissor-style. make it four: standing high jump!
 
The Greeks invented the ancient Games, a Frenchman the modern ones.

Just saying, like.

Stop trying to thwart my efforts to re-rail the thread Jaffa! Don't go getting cocky thinking you'll beat Derby's points total, now!

Has anybody been to any parades for their local Olympic sportspeople?

Some friends and I were there to greet Ben Ainslie, Nick Rogers and Pippa Wilson on Wednesday :)
 
I was thinking Bolt could have a career in football.Make him run a route to the corner of the end zone and lob him the ball.

http://bordowssportsblog.freedomblogging.com/files/2007/11/fb_aahm172_8x10terrell-owens-posters.jpghttp://blog.mlive.com/olympics_impact/2008/08/large_080820-jamaica-usain-bolt-wins-200.jpg

Besides, his celebrations aren't too far from Mr. Owens'.

Oh this is pretty funny. Owens is calling out Bolt saying he could beat him with a 20 yrd head start. :rolleyes: I could have seen this coming...

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Sure, on paper.

But saddle Bolt with NFL gear and Owens would probably beat him.

Is Owens "challenged" in some way that a 20 yard head-start is necessary?? Well, except mentally I mean.
 
But saddle Bolt with NFL gear and Owens would probably beat him.

I consider that highly questionable. 40-yard times for football players are timed without the players wearing football gear, so both athletes would be unencumbered. Given Mr. Owens' 40-yard time of 4.6 seconds, it seems as though his 100-metre time would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of thirteen seconds. I find it hard to believe that adding football gear to both players would even things out to the point that Mr. Owens could make up more than three seconds. Even spotting Mr. Owens a twenty-metre lead, Mr. Owens would still get beaten by at least a half-second.
 
So Phelps is better because his event has 4 different strokes at 100 and 200m. Phelps won more golds partly because he had the chance to enter more events.

If there was 4 different ways of running the 200m I'm sure Bolt would have won more, Chris Hoy would have more if they had left the 1km in the Olympics. It should be about quality not quantity.





I didn't know about her asking for the event to be delayed, the BBC kept that quiet. I totally agree with you she has shown what the true Olympic spirit is about

As for NBC, it seems it is only America who use total number of medals as a guide. Everyone else, including the IOC, us the number of golds followed by silver then bronze for the medal table.


It seem most places kept that quite. The only reason I knew about it was I was watching the event when it happened.
 
Did anyone see that Misty May & Walsh just lost their winning streak? I'm sure they're happy it happened after the Olympics :D
 
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