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FF takes a year to start up. If you look at how much code it has, you understand why. This is an essentially platform independent browser, which is a cool idea, but it can't use any of the code resident in OS X.

Also, FF uses the Moz Gecko engine which is good but takes so long to load.

Finally, FF has its own graphics elements. If you were running Windoze you wouldn't notice much of a difference. If you're running OS X, the UI will look painful.

FF has a slew of important plugins you can't get anywhere else. You'll have to look at them and make your choice.

Safari is the most integrated product because it's Apple but it doesn't do sites well all the time and it still lacks a lot of features the Moz browsers have.

A good choice in the middle might be Camino.

But for heavens sake, when you get your download, get rid of the binary you don't need.
Code:
lipo $1 -thin ppc -output $1.x; cp $1.x $1; rm $1.x
And if you're running x86 change the 'ppc' to 'i386'.
 
I am going to make some of you laugh, some cry and some reply with profound disapproval... I just, for a laugh and 'old times sake' installed... Netscape... okay, okay, so I use Safari, find it a really sluggish beast at the moment, firefox I've never really taken too (not sure why just - well don't like it), Omniweb is another that I just don't take to... Well I was expecting the Netscape experience to renew my passion for Safari but actually - shock - not only is Netscape loading a damn site faster than Safari but rendering pages quicker and better... Okay, okay so maybe I could fine tune Safari and I am not saying I will stick with Netscape but page load times are phenominally faster than with Safari (yes I clear the cache, download history, bookmarks etc and it makes no difference). Especially for macurmors where switching back and forward is a nightmare in Safari but just a zip with Netscape.

I am not advocating it as browser just sharing this curious happenstance.... Okay go ahead crack the jokes, deride my system, knowledge and skills I deserve it I'm just a surfer lol...
 
icebook said:
I am going to make some of you laugh, some cry and some reply with profound disapproval... I just, for a laugh and 'old times sake' installed... Netscape...
I use Netscape along with OmniWeb and Safari quite a bit.
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
PitHelmet (and Saft and any other Safari enhancer I've tried) are the spawn of the Devil and will not - in all foreseeable future - be installed on any Mac I'm using... neither reaches Adblock, Adblock Plus or Flashblock to their knees, and where Firefox is made for add-ons/extentions, Safari barely tolerates them. I've lost count on the number of Safari crashes I had when trying most enhancers (even AcidSearch).
Huh...I always had good luck with PithHelmet, but Saft truly did suck. Spawn of the devil indeed! :D

Mitthrawnuruodo said:
Firefox is brilliant because I can actually choose which language the spell checker is using (built-in from version 2.0 - had to use Spellbound on 1.5). Try getting Norwegian spell checking in Safari under Tiger... :rolleyes:
That IS a great feature.

Personally, I stick to Safari, but that wasn't always the case. A couple of years ago it was slow as a dog, but seems ok now. Camino is zippy as hell, I like that one a lot. Keep playing around with different browsers until you find one you like. I have a few that I use for different things. Also keep in mind that just because a browser might suck today that doesn't mean it will suck tomorrow.
 
I use Camino with Cami Tools with the user agent set to Firefox 1.5 (Mac) I have very few problems reading website's correctly with it and it is very stable (well compared to IE on Windows) most of the time even though I use the nightly builds of it.

Some sites don't work with Camino but do with Firefox as the creators have never heard of it so it gets the IE version rather than the Firefox version, changing the user agent means it gets the Firefox version (and as Camino and Firefox display pages in the same way it always works.
 
wasimyaqoob said:
Whats the best Internet Browser for Mac?

Firefox, IE, Safari?

I find Safari is quicker than Firefox.

Who the crap cares what others use ?

Use what you want to use, as long as it does the following.

1. Has the features you need
2. Dosen't crash
3. Is decently quick
4. And is easy enough for you to use
 
840quadra said:
Who the crap cares what others use ?

Use what you want to use, as long as it does the following.

1. Has the features you need
2. Dosen't crash
3. Is decently quick
4. And is easy enough for you to use

chill out dude. he/she is just looking for a recommendation on which browser might be the best one out there. jeez...take a freakin' chill pill.
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
What...? Try Safari preferences -> Tabs -> Enable tabbed browsing... ;)
LOL, i mean open tab instead of a new window "BY DEFAULT", not "pressing cmd when click" much a hassle
 
My God, I just downloaded Camino for kicks and got CamiTools and CaminIcon up...it's gloriously and obscenely fast.

New default browser. Sorry Opera.

addendum: ooh, ran into my first rendering error. Gmail won't load. Interesting.
 
gloss said:
My God, I just downloaded Camino for kicks and got CamiTools and CaminIcon up...it's gloriously and obscenely fast.

New default browser. Sorry Opera.

addendum: ooh, ran into my first rendering error. Gmail won't load. Interesting.

Camino uses the same Gecko engine Firefox does so it SHOULD work. Maybe it has something to do with Gmail not recognizing the user agent like in Eraserhead's post above
 
I have to say I'm quite fond of both Firefox and Safari on my old G3.

Safari tends to be quite a lot zippier, but that 'Cannot Find Page' error that occurs every now and again the second you click things drives me batty.

Firefox works well, but on an ageing computer like this one, it's quite sluggish. My father and mother like it more than Safari for what it's worth.
 
Reimer said:
Camino uses the same Gecko engine Firefox does so it SHOULD work. Maybe it has something to do with Gmail not recognizing the user agent like in Eraserhead's post above

I would agree, but I have the agent spoof set to Firefox 1.5 Mac. If I put it to IE6.0 for Windows it redirects to a basic view (i.e. without chat or any of the other goodies).

Apparently other people have this issue occasionally as well. Hrm.
 
I'm really torn here between Safari and Firefox.

Safari because it loads quickly, it sync my bookmarks with .Mac and feels really integrated with the operating system. But it doesn't always render pages or scripts properly.

Firefox because it renders pages and scripts where Safari won't. But it uses a different bookmark system which means I can't keep them synced across my computers with .Mac which is really annoying! And it takes quite a long time to start up. Plus some of the keyboard shortcuts are different.

So in summary I stick with Safari for most stuff, but have Firefox as a backup for pages where Safari won't work. I keep trying these "alternative" browers like Flock(sp?) or Camino but keep coming back to Safari. The .mac syncing is a really useful feature for me, and I guess I just know all the keyboard shortcuts! ;)

j
 
This thread should be a poll :D
or there's a poll about this somewhere else? :confused:
Sum1 tell me if i'm missing anything
 
Camino for me.

Safari is too slow. No tabbed browsing. Just doesnt cut it for me. The first thing I do on a new Mac is install Camino.

Also, if you use Camino, pick up CamiTools(free). Has tons of options, one big one is agent spoof. So you can pick say IE 5.5 and Camino will emulate that. Great for sites that require IE.
 
gloss said:
My God, I just downloaded Camino for kicks and got CamiTools and CaminIcon up...it's gloriously and obscenely fast.

New default browser. Sorry Opera.

addendum: ooh, ran into my first rendering error. Gmail won't load. Interesting.

Gmail works fine in Camino for me. Make sure you don't have a different agent set in CamiTools.
 
suneohair said:
Gmail works fine in Camino for me. Make sure you don't have a different agent set in CamiTools.

I've tried it under several different agents, actually, including default. Hrm.
 
suneohair said:
Camino for me.

Safari is too slow. No tabbed browsing. Just doesnt cut it for me. The first thing I do on a new Mac is install Camino.

Safari has tabbed browsing.
 
suneohair said:
Camino for me.

Safari is too slow. No tabbed browsing. Just doesnt cut it for me. The first thing I do on a new Mac is install Camino.

Also, if you use Camino, pick up CamiTools(free). Has tons of options, one big one is agent spoof. So you can pick say IE 5.5 and Camino will emulate that. Great for sites that require IE.

It doesn't emulate it, it spoofs it. It sends the code to the server you're trying to access stating that it's IE, not Camino.
 
suneohair said:
Gmail works fine in Camino for me. Make sure you don't have a different agent set in CamiTools.

Figured it out. I was using the most recent nightly build of Camino, under which I was experiencing severe rendering issues with Gmail and Facebook. I just reinstalled the stable 1.0.3 build and it's working like a charm.
 
gloss said:
Figured it out. I was using the most recent nightly build of Camino, under which I was experiencing severe rendering issues with Gmail and Facebook. I just reinstalled the stable 1.0.3 build and it's working like a charm.

???? I'm having no problems with Facebook or Gmail, (though my user agent is spoofed as Firefox 1.5) I'm using the 24th September Camino Nightly currently.
 
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