Best Display? Apple or Dell

[Sesshi]

So the Dell's are not good when viewing from an angle at all then? Also, I see that the 2407FPW is on sale at 679.15. Have any of you who have this monitor bought a Small Business coupon from ebay and applied it to this? Can you put it on top of the already discounted price? I'm actually debating heavily on which monitor to buy as well.

There is a difference but it's not like an MP3 player comparison for example where you might be looking at it ffrom a wide variety of angles. The Dell is absolutely fine for looking at while sitting down... and you can hook up virtually anything to it. With the Apple you only get DVI. The Apple does definitely give you more satisfaction on a 'technological furniture' level. But I think the Dell is a better product for the $.

I bet a lot of people who totally disparage one thing over another haven't actually bought the monitors but are just reading reviews online.

 

[asencif]

There is a difference but it's not like an MP3 player comparison for example where you might be looking at it ffrom a wide variety of angles. The Dell is absolutely fine for looking at while sitting down... and you can hook up virtually anything to it. With the Apple you only get DVI. The Apple does definitely give you more satisfaction on a 'technological furniture' level. But I think the Dell is a better product for the $.

I bet a lot of people who totally disparage one thing over another haven't actually bought the monitors but are just reading reviews online.

The Dell definitely gives you more options on connectivity, but I just would like to see if up close and try it out to see if it matters much to me the color distortion from a non centered viewed angle. For the $$$, the Dell looks really tempting as it is at $679 which makes one just want to jump at the deal.

 

[Pressure]

No one seems to know about the Samsung 244t. Much better display than both the Apple and the Dell. Great for photo editing. Plus, you don't have to see "Dell" every day.

No, you only have to suffer by seeing "Samsung" all day long

Besides, all Samsung monitors use PVA panels...

 

[MacCurry]

Picking the panel

http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php

TN panel - fast response, 6 bit colors, BAD for photo processing. It has only 226,000 odd colors and it simulates the other 16.7 m colors. Don't touch it with a 10 feet pole for photo editing. Trust me on that. I bought a Samsung 204B and without running any tests, I could see banding in the color gradients. Opening up a standard test chart tells the truth.

S-IPS - probably the best for photo editing, 8 bit per channel. True 16.7 m colors, great for photo editing, but slow response times. Usually the monitor is $150-$200 more than a comparative TN panel.

S-PVA - opinion is split on how good S-PVA is. Some argue [quoting websites written in 2004 that S-IPS rules]. However, the rolls royce of LCD monitors, Eizo uses S-PVA.

Eizo CE210W (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Pick a S-PVA or S-IPS panel with true 8 bit / channel. In the same flatpanels.dk site, look at the tests link and see if your monitor is testing. PVA [not S-PVA, but an old variant] is supposed to be inferior.

You can learn danish to read the page or look for clues Wink. Look for 6 bit or 8 bit. If the colors say less than 16.7 million don't touch it. If it says 16.7 million, then it is good.

 

[kgarchar]

even though this is somewhat off topic, don't get a freaking macbook and run a display off of it, it will slow it down so much. it's exactly what i'm doing, and there's a very big noticable difference.

 

[rogersmj]

Apple ACD = IPS panel
Dell = PVA panel

IPS = wide viewing angle.

I like IPS.

IPS also costs more.

Me speek broken inglish.

Yeah, but the Dell 2007WFP is IPS and it's still almost half the price of the same size Apple. In fact, the Dell 20" widescreen and Apple 20" use the exact same panel. So with height adjustability, lots of inputs, and no stupid unicable forcing your power source to be within five inches of the back of your computer, why would you not get the Dell?

Dell all the way. I have owned 7 Dell displays personally over the last few years, not to mention the 40 or so Dell LCD we have at work. None of them have ever failed, and the latest models (like the 2007WFP and 2407WFP) are truly stunning when it comes to image quality. You can't go wrong. Sure the casing on the ACD looks nicer, but you're sacrificing adjustability, multiple inputs, not to mention several hundred dollars.

 

[Maxiseller]

I'd go with the Apple, but that's just me.

Why? I'm a snob and love the Apple design. I just couldn't do with a Powermac on one side, and a Dell black ugly beast sitting next to it.

As I said, it's just me - and aside from that reason, the Apple displays are very good and very reliable in my experience.

 

[asencif]

Yeah, but the Dell 2007WFP is IPS and it's still almost half the price of the same size Apple. In fact, the Dell 20" widescreen and Apple 20" use the exact same panel. So with height adjustability, lots of inputs, and no stupid unicable forcing your power source to be within five inches of the back of your computer, why would you not get the Dell?

Dell all the way. I have owned 7 Dell displays personally over the last few years, not to mention the 40 or so Dell LCD we have at work. None of them have ever failed, and the latest models (like the 2007WFP and 2407WFP) are truly stunning when it comes to image quality. You can't go wrong. Sure the casing on the ACD looks nicer, but you're sacrificing adjustability, multiple inputs, not to mention several hundred dollars.

So now we are back to saying the Dell is also an IPS screen? The inputs and price is what's really tempting. I should just decide by tonight which one I am getting.

 

[skipsandwichdx]

Yes, the Dell 2007WFP is an IPS panel. The model number of the panel (according to the service menu on mine) is LM201W01--the same IPS panel used in the 20" ACD.

 

[asencif]

Yes, the Dell 2007WFP is an IPS panel. The model number of the panel (according to the service menu on mine) is LM201W01--the same IPS panel used in the 20" ACD.

Interesting....Is this true of the 2407FPW as well?

 

[Rickay726]

its as easy as this, if your filthy rich and bathe in your money, buy the acd no doubt, however if you are not filthy rich and you do not bathe in your money, buy the dell its definitly better buy, i mean come on, more screen for alot less money. do it

 

[rogersmj]

Interesting....Is this true of the 2407FPW as well?

No, the 2407 is a PVA panel. Don't let that deter you; there's a lot of hype out there about IPS versus PVA. A high quality PVA panel (which the 2407 is) is really indistingushable from IPS panels for just about everybody. There are a few photographic professionals who can tell the difference, but I think most of the hype is just people jumping on a bandwagon when they heard once that "IPS is better."

I have an IPS panel, the Dell 2007wfp. However, I still would have gotten the 2407 if I had been looking for (or willing to pay for) a 24" screen, and I'm extremely picky with my monitors.

 

[awhitaker]

Yeah, but the Dell 2007WFP is IPS and it's still almost half the price of the same size Apple. In fact, the Dell 20" widescreen and Apple 20" use the exact same panel. So with height adjustability, lots of inputs, and no stupid unicable forcing your power source to be within five inches of the back of your computer, why would you not get the Dell?

Dell all the way. I have owned 7 Dell displays personally over the last few years, not to mention the 40 or so Dell LCD we have at work. None of them have ever failed, and the latest models (like the 2007WFP and 2407WFP) are truly stunning when it comes to image quality. You can't go wrong. Sure the casing on the ACD looks nicer, but you're sacrificing adjustability, multiple inputs, not to mention several hundred dollars.

I was just about to mention that the 2007wfp is IPS. It's weird that the 2407 isn't though. I'll have to look that up. The 30incher is IPS also. The Apple ACD and the Dell IPS monitors are always rated highly. For the price though, you can't beat the Dell IPS monitors. I wouldn't be surprised if they are made at the same factory.


Dell 3007WFP (*) (widescreen) has a 30 inch 14 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM300W01) panel.


Dell 2007WFP (*) (widescreen) has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201W01 eller LM201WE2) panel.

 

[asencif]

I was just about to mention that the 2007wfp is IPS. It's weird that the 2407 isn't though. I'll have to look that up. The 30incher is IPS also. The Apple ACD and the Dell IPS monitors are always rated highly. For the price though, you can't beat the Dell IPS monitors. I wouldn't be surprised if they are made at the same factory.


Dell 3007WFP (*) (widescreen) has a 30 inch 14 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM300W01) panel.


Dell 2007WFP (*) (widescreen) has a 20 inch 16 ms S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201W01 eller LM201WE2) panel.

Yeah...Don't know why they didn't just do S-IPS across the board.

 

[Pressure]

Yeah...Don't know why they didn't just do S-IPS across the board.

It's quite simple, no one is producing a 24" S-IPS panel.

 

[asencif]

It's quite simple, no one is producing a 24" S-IPS panel.

Thanks for the info. Do you know why no manufacturers have done it? Is it something that one is waiting for the other to go first or it can't be done with 24 inches? Only 23?

 

[Pressure]

Thanks for the info. Do you know why no manufacturers have done it? Is it something that one is waiting for the other to go first or it can't be done with 24 inches? Only 23?

I reckon they have to retool their fabrication process which will be costly.

You have the same viewable area on the 24" Dell and the 23" Apple Cinema Display but things will look better on the 23" because the individual pixels are smaller. Nothing you would notice in day to day work though.

Both are 1920x1200 resolution after all.

 

[crashlock]

I'd love to know how everyone is rocking a 23" over a 20" ACD. The 20 is £529 and the 23 is £779"! That's £250 for 3 inches!!! It amazes me people aren't in revolt, instead everyone is saying they have a 23" and how that's the ACD to get. Does the 23 come with a Mac Mini included or something?

 

[Sesshi]

I bought all of mine in May > July when the 23" were closer to £1K. I would imagine there are large price jumps beyond 19" because of economies of scale and the increasingly low yields. And it's not £250 for 3 inches.

The ACD23" offers 1.31 times the number of pixels over the 20" and costs 1.47 times more. That's not a terrible premium, although it is high. Dell's undiscounted premium for the 24" (same res of course as 23"ACD) is 1.41 times the cost of the 20". Helps to think about things that way before you mouth off and look excessively petulant / like an idiot (delete as applicable)


eh? can't do strikethrough?

 

[crashlock]

I just bought a brand new HD TV 26" for £532.90inc VAT. There's really no excuses for selling a 23" monitor (that does less than a LCDTV+Freeview) for close to £800.

AND above all that you only get a 1 year warranty included. DISGUSTING.

 

[Sesshi]

Go compare either the Dell or the Apple against the Samsung TV as a monitor. Then come back here and delete all your posts in this thread. It's not just about inches

 

[crashlock]

Go compare either the Dell or the Apple against the Samsung TV as a monitor. Then come back here and delete all your posts in this thread. It's not just about inches

I didn't buy it for a monitor.

It's not like I'm comparing a ACD to a Microwave. A HD LCD TV does have some similarities i'd say. Unlike some people I do know the cost of money. £250 for a 3 inch difference is insane. So it clearly is about inches Sesshi, judging by those prices. I couldn't justify spending nearly £800 on a computer monitor. I suspect Apple keep the ACD's at that price to align with iMacs. As some consumers will obviously compare owning an ACD+Mini Mac with an iMac.

Your tone is pretty harsh so i'd appreciate it if you could be a little more polite than telling me to delete all my posts.

 

[Sesshi]

I didn't buy it for a monitor.

Exactly.

It's not like I'm comparing a ACD to a Microwave. A HD LCD TV does have some similarities i'd say.

Not really. As I said, hook up your HDTV to the Mac (if you can) and note it's abilities as a monitor if you're going to make comparisons.

Your tone is pretty harsh so i'd appreciate it if you could be a little more polite than telling me to delete all my posts.

The tone as I sit here is not harsh but something approaching impatience based on your posts above. I'm sure you know the value of money but you don't know the economics of monitors despite all the eye-rolling.

 

[7778818405]

£250 for a 3 inch difference is insane. So it clearly is about inches Sesshi, judging by those prices.

Sorry to disagree, it isn't all about inches, it is about extra pixels and display quality. The 23" represents a massive screen real estate increase over the 20", with those extra 3 inches being diagonal inches, which is enough to make the 23 inch true 1080p HD compatible.

 

[crashlock]

you don't know the economics of monitors despite all the eye-rolling.

I shouldn't have to know.. Nor do I need to. Charging close to £800 for a 23" LCD monitor is extreme. It's doesn't take much knowledge in "monitor economics" to understand that. Oh wait you live in London so you probably earn that in a day, so no wonder you are "impatient" with my plebeian issues.

Despite your arrogant refusal that the Samsung TV has NO similarities with an ACD monitor. I and I'm sure many others will conclude it does indeed have similarities, enough similarities to be price compared in-fact. Mainly it's quite obviously a flat panel display that can be used as a monitor if needed, plus it's classed as a high end consumer electronic device. What more do you require sir for a rough price comparison?
How about a Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP 24" widescreen LCD Flat for £566.64. There you actually gain an inch and save £200 compared with the closest ACD. Is that a better comparison? I don't want to buy Dell, as I support Apple and love the design of the ACD. But there's no way a 23" ACD is worth what they are asking.