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rock15478

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I’ve been using a 2015 15” MacBook Pro w/ 2.2 GHz quad core i7 w/ 256 GB SSD and 16GB RAM for the past several years as my work computer. Ran into an issue lately where the screen was going black and work was willing to replace it w/ a newer model. Basically the budget was approximately $1500-1600. We are a small business w/ approximately 50 employees. I’m considered lucky enough to be one of the people here even allowed to have a MBP as their main work computer. Most people use Dell PC’s and we buy these for roughly $900-$1k (if that). The 2015 machine was plenty powerful enough for what I do at the day job. Since I used to work in IT for years I pretty much made this my main machine (even while at home for some personal things as well).

That all being said, they decided to upgrade me to a 2017 15” MBP w/ 2.8 GHz i7 w/ 500 GB SSD and 16GB (w/ Touch Bar). Just looking at the specs alone (and realizing that the model is 2 years newer), you’d expect this to be a faster machine than the 2015. I was shocked to find that my GeekBench scores were actually LOWER than my previous machine and even lower than some of my other machines that I’ve owned over the years. This was using GeekBench version 5. How is this possible? Shouldn’t a 2.8 GHz i7 be faster than a 2015 version at 2.2?

I’m still within the 14 day return period (they bought this 2017 machine from macofalltrades.com) for $1600. My question is if there is a better or more capable machine out there for roughly $1500-1600. It would be somewhat of a pain to request that they return this model and get me something else but I do have the leverage to do that if you guys think it would be worth it. From what I’m reading, the 2018 models got huge bumps in performance compared fro the 2017 model. Why they chose this specific 2017 model is beyond me…

I know this 2017 machine will be fine for what I’m using it for at the day job but it’s slightly annoying to find out that a newer machine (with either identical or even better specs) is actually slower in reality. Would I be better off w/ a 13” MBP from 2018? What and where would you suggest buying? I do use Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro some for personal things (and sometimes on occasion at the job for small projects) so it would still be nice to have the most powerful machine as possible.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I’ve been using a 2015 15” MacBook Pro w/ 2.2 GHz quad core i7 w/ 256 GB SSD and 16GB RAM for the past several years as my work computer. Ran into an issue lately where the screen was going black and work was willing to replace it w/ a newer model. Basically the budget was approximately $1500-1600. We are a small business w/ approximately 50 employees. I’m considered lucky enough to be one of the people here even allowed to have a MBP as their main work computer. Most people use Dell PC’s and we buy these for roughly $900-$1k (if that). The 2015 machine was plenty powerful enough for what I do at the day job. Since I used to work in IT for years I pretty much made this my main machine (even while at home for some personal things as well).

That all being said, they decided to upgrade me to a 2017 15” MBP w/ 2.8 GHz i7 w/ 500 GB SSD and 16GB (w/ Touch Bar). Just looking at the specs alone (and realizing that the model is 2 years newer), you’d expect this to be a faster machine than the 2015. I was shocked to find that my GeekBench scores were actually LOWER than my previous machine and even lower than some of my other machines that I’ve owned over the years. This was using GeekBench version 5. How is this possible? Shouldn’t a 2.8 GHz i7 be faster than a 2015 version at 2.2?

I’m still within the 14 day return period (they bought this 2017 machine from macofalltrades.com) for $1600. My question is if there is a better or more capable machine out there for roughly $1500-1600. It would be somewhat of a pain to request that they return this model and get me something else but I do have the leverage to do that if you guys think it would be worth it. From what I’m reading, the 2018 models got huge bumps in performance compared fro the 2017 model. Why they chose this specific 2017 model is beyond me…

I know this 2017 machine will be fine for what I’m using it for at the day job but it’s slightly annoying to find out that a newer machine (with either identical or even better specs) is actually slower in reality. Would I be better off w/ a 13” MBP from 2018? What and where would you suggest buying? I do use Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro some for personal things (and sometimes on occasion at the job for small projects) so it would still be nice to have the most powerful machine as possible.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I would not touch 2016-2019 MacBook Pros. Is the 2020 13 an option?
 
You don't have/need/want an external monitor, right? So you need the big display, I suppose, no 13 inch?

I occasionally connect to external monitors but am not attached to the 15" display honestly. I've always preferred the 13" for portability reasons but also went w/ the 15" due to wanting a more powerful machine.
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I would not touch 2016-2019 MacBook Pros. Is the 2020 13 an option?

It could be if it's in the $1500-1600 range and w/ enough power. I simply was expecting an "upgrade" in terms of overall CPU power when running Geek Bench. I didn't expect the more modern day 2.8GHZ quad core w/ same exact specs to underperform the 2015 2.2 model.
 
It could be if it's in the $1500-1600 range and w/ enough power. I simply was expecting an "upgrade" in terms of overall CPU power when running Geek Bench. I didn't expect the more modern day 2.8GHZ quad core w/ same exact specs to underperform the 2015 2.2 model.

It may be thermal throttling or a bad thermal paste job.

The 2020 13 gives you a quad-core CPU. Take a look at Geekbench 5 published scores and compare to your 2015. I don't know the pricing of this stuff.
 
I would not touch 2016-2019 MacBook Pros. Is the 2020 13 an option?

I agree. There were keyboard problems with those years. I have the 13" 2020 and use it for video editing with Premiere and Photoshop. Plenty of power. I have the i7/32GB/1TB model.
 
It could be if it's in the $1500-1600 range and w/ enough power. I simply was expecting an "upgrade" in terms of overall CPU power when running Geek Bench. I didn't expect the more modern day 2.8GHZ quad core w/ same exact specs to underperform the 2015 2.2 model.

If it were me, I would return it and get the 2020 13" MacBook Pro that is normally $1799 (16 GB RAM, 2.0 GHz i5 Quad-core, 512 GB storage) but is on sale quite often now for $1599. Geekbench scores of that machine vs your 2017 15" is 855 single core on the 15" and 1136 on the 13" 2020. 3300 vs 4200 for multicore.


What's funny is I was in the same scenario you were, had the 2014 15" 2.2 and upgraded to the 2017 15" 2.8 and felt zero difference in performance.
 
It may be thermal throttling or a bad thermal paste job.

The 2020 13 gives you a quad-core CPU. Take a look at Geekbench 5 published scores and compare to your 2015. I don't know the pricing of this stuff.

Yeah it looks like the 2020 is $1799 through Apple. Unfortunately I don't want to push it that much. I know it's just an extra $200 but it seems like $1500-1600 is about the max they'd want to pay. The reality is that the 2017 is a perfectly capable machine for what I'm doing but definitely just don't want to regret not doing something else if there's a better option in that price range.
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If it were me, I would return it and get the 2020 13" MacBook Pro that is normally $1799 (16 GB RAM, 2.0 GHz i5 Quad-core, 512 GB storage) but is on sale quite often now for $1599. Geekbench scores of that machine vs your 2017 15" is 855 single core on the 15" and 1136 on the 13" 2020. 3300 vs 4200 for multicore.


What's funny is I was in the same scenario you were, had the 2014 15" 2.2 and upgraded to the 2017 15" 2.8 and felt zero difference in performance.

Hmm interesting. Where is it normally on sale for $1599?
 
Don't use Geekbench as an indicator.

Geekbench 5 has much lower scoring system than 4 because of under the hood changes. And when compared to mobile devices, the scores are much more inflated.

Just use the machine as is, or if you are curious, run Geekbench 5 on the 2015. It'll score much lower than the 2017. I still have the 2015 15" with me here (work-issued) and my 16" 2019 scores over twice as high when both run Geekbench 5.
 
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That all being said, they decided to upgrade me to a 2017 15” MBP w/ 2.8 GHz i7 w/ 500 GB SSD and 16GB (w/ Touch Bar). Just looking at the specs alone (and realizing that the model is 2 years newer), you’d expect this to be a faster machine than the 2015. I was shocked to find that my GeekBench scores were actually LOWER than my previous machine and even lower than some of my other machines that I’ve owned over the years. This was using GeekBench version 5. How is this possible? Shouldn’t a 2.8 GHz i7 be faster than a 2015 version at 2.2?

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Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Howdy rock15478,

With all things being equal, yes your 2018 i7 should be outperforming the 2015 i7. Apologies if this seems like a dumb question, but I never want to assume anything :)... Are you comparing Geekbench 5 score on each system, or are you comparing an older GeekBench score to GeekBench 5? If you are running the same version of GeekBench on both (which is what I assume you did), have you ran it multiple times? The scores can fluctuate slightly from run-to-run, do you mind sharing your results so we can see? For example here is the score from my 2015 MacBook Pro: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2377237 and here is the score for my new 2019 16" MacBook Pro (with good keyboard :) ) https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2377171

The scores for GeekBench 5 are substantially lower than older versions, the same 2015 MacBook Pro gets a much higher GeekBench 4 score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1283178

Thanks!

Rich S.
 
Don't use Geekbench as an indicator.

Geekbench 5 has much lower scoring system than 4 because of under the hood changes. And when compared to mobile devices, the scores are much more inflated.

Just use the machine as is, or if you are curious, run Geekbench 5 on the 2015. It'll score much lower than the 2017. I still have the 2015 15" with me here (work-issued) and my 16" 2019 scores over twice as high when both run Geekbench 5.

This was a direct comparison between Geek Bench 5 numbers on both machines. I also ran 4 on both machines. The 2015 outperformed the 2017 on all tests in both versions of Geek Bench.
 
This was a direct comparison between Geek Bench 5 numbers on both machines. I also ran 4 on both machines. The 2015 outperformed the 2017 on all tests in both versions of Geek Bench.

Mind posting your scores? All of the ones I find on Geekbench's database points to the opposite. The 2015 is consistently lower than the 2017.

I also have my 2015 15" here and I can confirm my scores are in line with what they have in the database.

Edit: here's what I'm seeing:

MacBook Pro 2017 15" with 2.8GHz i7:

MacBook Pro 2015 15" with 2.2GHz i7:

So you're scoring more than their numbers?
 
Howdy rock15478,

With all things being equal, yes your 2018 i7 should be outperforming the 2015 i7. Apologies if this seems like a dumb question, but I never want to assume anything :)... Are you comparing Geekbench 5 score on each system, or are you comparing an older GeekBench score to GeekBench 5? If you are running the same version of GeekBench on both (which is what I assume you did), have you ran it multiple times? The scores can fluctuate slightly from run-to-run, do you mind sharing your results so we can see? For example here is the score from my 2015 MacBook Pro: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2377237 and here is the score for my new 2019 16" MacBook Pro (with good keyboard :) ) https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2377171

The scores for GeekBench 5 are substantially lower than older versions, the same 2015 MacBook Pro gets a much higher GeekBench 4 score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1283178

Thanks!

Rich S.

It's actually a 2017 machine but yes still expected it to outperform the 2015. I've ran it multiple times. I will post actual results later today - right now i've just been recording them in a spreadsheet.
 
Just ran it again and got 894 for single core and 3378 for multi-core on the 2017. Weird.. I was definitely getting lower than that yesterday. BUT the 2015 is still winning. The 2015 is 895 for single core and 3617 for multi.
 
Just ran it again and got 894 for single core and 3378 for multi-core on the 2017. Weird.. I was definitely getting lower than that yesterday. BUT the 2015 is still winning. The 2015 is 895 for single core and 3617 for multi.

You could try running a thermal monitor to see what the temperatures are like.
 
Just ran it again and got 894 for single core and 3378 for multi-core on the 2017. Weird.. I was definitely getting lower than that yesterday. BUT the 2015 is still winning. The 2015 is 895 for single core and 3617 for multi.

Can you post a link to your results in the GeekBench browser? It will let us see specifics of each configuration to see if something looks amiss.... BTW, a difference of 1 point is statistically insignificant, but I would still expect to see the newer system score better than the old one.

Looking at the database, they show a 2015 i7 @ 2.2 GHz scoring 791 single core and 3078 multi-core. A 2017 i7 @ 2.8 gets 854 single-core 3365 multi-core. You are beating both of those.

Rich S.
 
Can you post a link to your results in the GeekBench browser? It will let us see specifics of each configuration to see if something looks amiss.... BTW, a difference of 1 point is statistically insignificant, but I would still expect to see the newer system score better than the old one.

Looking at the database, they show a 2015 i7 @ 2.2 GHz scoring 791 single core and 3078 multi-core. A 2017 i7 @ 2.8 gets 854 single-core 3365 multi-core. You are beating both of those.

Rich S.
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You have individual variance from system to system as well.

My 2014 2.2 Ghz got 847/3,399. My 2015 2.5 Ghz got 899/3,214. Those scores tell me that my 2015 has some thermal issues. It has a dGPU which may add some heat.

My daily driver is 491/1,926. It gets a lot of work done because it has 48 GB of RAM and a discrete video card and it's a desktop so it doesn't suffer from any level of thermal throttling. That said, my current favorite MBP model, if I were in the market, would be the 2020 13 followed by the 2019 16. I just cannot justify an upgrade at this time, though.
 
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