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Just had an iMac 2021 delivered.
The Magic Mouse isn’t great to me, but I haven’t had a desktop computer for years. Does anyone have any alternative mouse recommendations?
I was considering picking up a track pad, but not sure I fancy it.
If anyone has any suggestions with what they use, that’d be great!
 
Just had an iMac 2021 delivered.
The Magic Mouse isn’t great to me, but I haven’t had a desktop computer for years. Does anyone have any alternative mouse recommendations?
I was considering picking up a track pad, but not sure I fancy it.
If anyone has any suggestions with what they use, that’d be great!
Track pad is all i used, the mouse is probably the worst thing they make imo, can’t use it while charging.
 
I didn't care for the magic mouse either. Got the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra in White, works great for my size hands and grip.
 
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Another vote for Apple Magic Trackpad 2, which is fantastic.
I hated trackpads on Windows laptops, so only used the Magic Mouse on my Mac until about a year ago, when I decided to try the Magic trackpad. I kick myself for not having tried it earlier.
There are a few things that take getting used to (like drag and drop is not as immediately intuitive as on a mouse), but it just works better and has much more functionality with the gestures.
Definitely at least try it out for the 14-day return period
 
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Magic Mouse is rather useless. I use Logitech mouses when I have to use a mouse (read: playing games), but for productivity find trackpad better in MacOS.

Would probably get Magic Trackpad and a proper mouse if needed.
 
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I rather like trackballs. My Logitech MX Ergo is great. If you want something different. They take a while to get used to.

For a mouse I'd get a Logitech G703, G305 or MX Master 3. I'm a big fan of Logitech mice. They're simply well made and reliable. I've got several Logitech mice.
 
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Just had an iMac 2021 delivered.
The Magic Mouse isn’t great to me, but I haven’t had a desktop computer for years. Does anyone have any alternative mouse recommendations?
I was considering picking up a track pad, but not sure I fancy it.
If anyone has any suggestions with what they use, that’d be great!
I am a big fan of the Magic Mouse... so not sure I can offer much else. I do also have a Magic Trackpad, but usually use the mouse.
 
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Thanks everyone.
Interesting replies! Seems I may have to give the Magic Trackpad a go and if I don’t like it, I can return it as a lot of you have said.

If not, Logitech are getting a lot of shout outs so could try one of them if I find I crave a traditional mouse!

Thanks!
 
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A $7 mouse from Walmart is better than the Magic Mouse, which is absurdly heavy, and the cursor doesn‘t move nearly enough relative to the movement of the mouse (even at the fastest setting). These two factors combine to make the mouse legitimately unusable. Not sure how anyone can settle for using a trackpad on a desktop though. If you find yourself having to lift the mouse up and re-center it, then your mouse is ineffective. Ironically, Microsoft makes excellent, cost-effective mice if you are looking for a more premium option.
 
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A $7 mouse from Walmart is better than the Magic Mouse, which is absurdly heavy, and the cursor doesn‘t move nearly enough relative to the movement of the mouse (even at the fastest setting). These two factors combine to make the mouse legitimately unusable. Not sure how anyone can settle for using a trackpad on a desktop though. If you find yourself having to lift the mouse up and re-center it, then your mouse is ineffective. Ironically, Microsoft makes excellent, cost-effective mice if you are looking for a more premium option.

Interesting take, and IMO, patently untrue.

The "$7 mouse from Walmart" will be absurdly light and toy-like. If you set the mouse pointer and tracking options correctly, the cursor moves in perfect sync with the movement of the Magic Mouse. I've been using the Magic Mouse (v1 and now v2) for over 10 years and have always found them to be quite usable. I have one for each of the four Macs that I own. The only legitimate complaint is the placement of the charging port on the underside of the MM2 model.

Haters gotta hate, I guess.
 
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The "$7 mouse from Walmart" will be absurdly light and toy-like.

“Will be” not “is” (in other words not a first-hand experience). Mass is a critical property of a mouse. Most critical is its inertia, because accelerating the mouse and quickly course-correcting is more responsive with a lower inertia. It’s also less fatiguing. A lower weight also reduces the normal force, which reduces the magnitude of static friction - this is related the effect where, where pushing something, it suddenly “gives way” and begins to move faster than expected. When using a mouse there is a feedback loop between the signals sent to the muscles in your arm and the position of the cursor as delivered by the optic nerve. The greater the lag between the signals, the greater number of adjustments that need to be made to reach equilibrium (i.e. the cursor is where you want it).

All of this boils down it being more taxing mentally and physically to acquire your intended targets with the cursor with the brick that is the Magic Mouse.

If you set the mouse pointer and tracking options correctly, the cursor moves in perfect sync with the movement of the Magic Mouse.

So, what, you are moving the mouse 24” across the desk? I don’t know if it’s the drivers they designed for the mouse or what, but the control system for the cursor is poor. It doesn’t scale appropriately to the velocity of the mouse. If you increase the speed of the cursor in settings to a high enough value where it covers a reasonable amount of screen real estate without having to move the mouse so far, then it moves much too fast when trying to use fine motor skills for precise control.

Imagine it like a plunger stuck to a wall, and you’re trying to point the handle at a specific spot on the opposing wall. Grip the handle near the base and it moves quickly and easily, but it’s hard be precise with it. Grip it at the end and it’s easy to point, but you’ll be cranking your arm all over the place. You need a fluid mechanism that can tune the control from fast to slow as you zero in on your target. The Magic Mouse’s control mechanism does not do that well at all.

I've been using the Magic Mouse (v1 and now v2) for over 10 years and have always found them to be quite usable.

I mean sure, that is technically true - moving the mouse does in fact move the cursor. That’s about the best you can say for it.

Ergonomically, it’s terrible. It’s too flat, providing no contact from or support to the palm. This also makes the sides very narrow, sloping inward with seemingly no regard for providing a surface for the pads of your fingers to rest upon. It‘s like holding a worn down bar of soap. The lack of distinct left and right clicking mechanisms means that there is less tactile feedback between the the two functions, whereas there is greater surety with a mouse with two buttons. Since there’s also no tactile indication of where the right-click functionality “begins”, you get occasional mis-clicks where you activate the wrong function. Furthermore, since the touch surface extends all the way to the front lip, you’ll sometimes get unintended micro-scrolling when clicking the button and adjusting your grip.

There was no apparent design regarding holding the mouse, pushing the mouse, and clicking the mouse, beyond the fact the fact that they can be done. It’s quite a disaster of a product, to be honest.


You don’t even have to read any of the above, though. Just connect any other mouse you can find and you’ll see how bad it has really been. Takes around 15 minutes to acclimate to the motion of the cursor of a different mouse, then a couple days to really develop a proficiency where your brain has integrated the characteristic of the new mouse into that feedback loop (as your brain fine tunes the signals sent to the muscles that it takes to produce the desired output of the cursor).
 
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A $7 mouse from Walmart is better than the Magic Mouse, which is absurdly heavy, and the cursor doesn‘t move nearly enough relative to the movement of the mouse (even at the fastest setting). These two factors combine to make the mouse legitimately unusable. Not sure how anyone can settle for using a trackpad on a desktop though. If you find yourself having to lift the mouse up and re-center it, then your mouse is ineffective. Ironically, Microsoft makes excellent, cost-effective mice if you are looking for a more premium option.
This is exactly what I am finding. I have set it to fastest, yet find the cursor almost feels like it isn’t working properly as there is a complete lack of precision.
it’s very strange and not a nice experience at all. I like the look of the MM on a desk, but definitely think I will stick it in the drawer and try one of the options mentioned above. 😁
 
This is exactly what I am finding. I have set it to fastest, yet find the cursor almost feels like it isn’t working properly as there is a complete lack of precision.
it’s very strange and not a nice experience at all. I like the look of the MM on a desk, but definitely think I will stick it in the drawer and try one of the options mentioned above. 😁

There is clearly something wrong - my MM (like a previous poster, I've been using them on my Macs for a few years now - all perfectly functional) tracks across the 24-inch screen in rather less than the width off a standard mouse pad. Tracking is set about mid-point.

It is precise and easy to control, and I have not had any issues using any of the probably 4 or 5 of these, including the original one with replaceable batteries, and the latest one that came with the 24-inch iMac.

I don't know what the issue is that you're experiencing, but the first thing I'd try is to remove the mouse in BT devices and then re-pair it. For this you'll need a USB mouse or other pointing device connected of course.
 
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I don't get it.... I don't have any issues with my new Magic Mouse that came with my new pink iMac. the only issue I had with the one that came with my mid 2011 was it would lose connection to the computer too often. granted I've only had this current one a week..... but I don't have any issues with speed, scrolling, etc.????
 
There is clearly something wrong - my MM (like a previous poster, I've been using them on my Macs for a few years now - all perfectly functional) tracks across the 24-inch screen in rather less than the width off a standard mouse pad. Tracking is set about mid-point.

It is precise and easy to control, and I have not had any issues using any of the probably 4 or 5 of these, including the original one with replaceable batteries, and the latest one that came with the 24-inch iMac.

I don't know what the issue is that you're experiencing, but the first thing I'd try is to remove the mouse in BT devices and then re-pair it. For this you'll need a USB mouse or other pointing device connected of course.
There’s nothing wrong with it. Most YouTubers have all panned the MM for being a terrible mouse. It is ok for someone to not like using it. If you like it, then that’s all good you do you.

But don’t presume there’s something wrong with mine if I don’t feel it gives accurate precision. I’ve used a computer with a mouse long enough to know a decent mouse. 👍🏼
 
“Will be” not “is” (in other words not a first-hand experience). Mass is a critical property of a mouse. Most critical is its inertia, because accelerating the mouse and quickly course-correcting is more responsive with a lower inertia. It’s also less fatiguing. A lower weight also reduces the normal force, which reduces the magnitude of static friction - this is related the effect where, where pushing something, it suddenly “gives way” and begins to move faster than expected. When using a mouse there is a feedback loop between the signals sent to the muscles in your arm and the position of the cursor as delivered by the optic nerve. The greater the lag between the signals, the greater number of adjustments that need to be made to reach equilibrium (i.e. the cursor is where you want it).

All of this boils down it being more taxing mentally and physically to acquire your intended targets with the cursor with the brick that is the Magic Mouse.



So, what, you are moving the mouse 24” across the desk? I don’t know if it’s the drivers they designed for the mouse or what, but the control system for the cursor is poor. It doesn’t scale appropriately to the velocity of the mouse. If you increase the speed of the cursor in settings to a high enough value where it covers a reasonable amount of screen real estate without having to move the mouse so far, then it moves much too fast when trying to use fine motor skills for precise control.

Imagine it like a plunger stuck to a wall, and you’re trying to point the handle at a specific spot on the opposing wall. Grip the handle near the base and it moves quickly and easily, but it’s hard be precise with it. Grip it at the end and it’s easy to point, but you’ll be cranking your arm all over the place. You need a fluid mechanism that can tune the control from fast to slow as you zero in on your target. The Magic Mouse’s control mechanism does not do that well at all.



I mean sure, that is technically true - moving the mouse does in fact move the cursor. That’s about the best you can say for it.

Ergonomically, it’s terrible. It’s too flat, providing no contact from or support to the palm. This also makes the sides very narrow, sloping inward with seemingly no regard for providing a surface for the pads of your fingers to rest upon. It‘s like holding a worn down bar of soap. The lack of distinct left and right clicking mechanisms means that there is less tactile feedback between the the two functions, whereas there is greater surety with a mouse with two buttons. Since there’s also no tactile indication of where the right-click functionality “begins”, you get occasional mis-clicks where you activate the wrong function. Furthermore, since the touch surface extends all the way to the front lip, you’ll sometimes get unintended micro-scrolling when clicking the button and adjusting your grip.

There was no apparent design regarding holding the mouse, pushing the mouse, and clicking the mouse, beyond the fact the fact that they can be done. It’s quite a disaster of a product, to be honest.


You don’t even have to read any of the above, though. Just connect any other mouse you can find and you’ll see how bad it has really been. Takes around 15 minutes to acclimate to the motion of the cursor of a different mouse, then a couple days to really develop a proficiency where your brain has integrated the characteristic of the new mouse into that feedback loop (as your brain fine tunes the signals sent to the muscles that it takes to produce the desired output of the cursor).

I have used cheap mice before and they are crap.

I guess we have to agree to disagree about the MM... I have a 27" 5K iMac, and a relatively small mouse tracking area... no problems whatsoever with scrolling the cursor... mouse physical movement is less than 6" to scroll across the entire screen, and I can get accurate cursor placement first time, every time. You invent some concocted story about a plunger stuck to a wall as proof of problems with the MM? I want some of what you're smoking.

The concept of "personal computing" is such that you are free to do whatever you want and use whatever works for you. So you hate the MM? Fine, use something else, but don't disparage the device for everyone else because you don't like it. It's like saying that you don't like chocolate, therefore, no one else should like or even try chocolate. Get over yourself.
 
There’s nothing wrong with it. Most YouTubers have all panned the MM for being a terrible mouse. It is ok for someone to not like using it. If you like it, then that’s all good you do you.

But don’t presume there’s something wrong with mine if I don’t feel it gives accurate precision. I’ve used a computer with a mouse long enough to know a decent mouse. 👍🏼

My post was not in the slightest about whether I like the mouse or not. It was an attempt to help you resolve a problem. Fair enough, you don't want help.
 
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