Beware of Airport Security

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Murray M, May 1, 2010.

  1. Murray M macrumors regular

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    I lost a hd in a MBP right after going through airport security last year. I was suspicious, but thought I was just being paranoid: surely MBP's can sleep through an airport xray machine.

    Well, in the last month THE SAME THING JUST HAPPENED TO TWO OTHER MBP's. Perhaps Greece has stronger than usual X-rays. Not only did the hd's get taken out in both machines, BUT I LOST THE MOTHERBOARD IN BOTH MACHINES AS WELL.

    Or you know, it could be European power. I've always felt a mild electrical shock running through MBP cases (US machines I was running in EU). This has consistently happened on 4 machines.

    I guess what I'm saying is:

    1) Consider shutting your MBP's down for security
    2) When working in EU, bring a backup hd
    3) For the love of God, buy Applecare
     
  2. EstrlM3 macrumors 6502

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    so you had the computers running while they went through the machine?

    thanks for the heads up. Im paranoid going through with my EOS T1i.
     
  3. m85476585 macrumors 65816

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    I always get a static shock when I pick up my MBP from the xray machine. Maybe it's walking around in socks, or the rubber conveyor belt picking up a charge, or the X-ray machine charging the MBP. It hasn't hurt it yet, and I always have it in sleep mode.
     
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  5. hypermog macrumors regular

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    Anyone else have problems taking MBPs through security in the US? I am going to be flying later this month...
     
  6. youssefm macrumors 6502

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    I travel a lot and my mbp is either sleeping or shut down, and I've never experience anything from the above. I've flown through JFK, multiple airports in Europe, and Cairo airport in Egypt. I always place my stuff in the plastic bins, and never ran into any issues.
     
  7. Dextor143 macrumors 6502

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    same here, I fly all the time with my MBP and never had any problem. Although, I always had it shutdown, that is may be the reason...
     
  8. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    I've flown with my MBP and a Canon T1i through US cities several times. They've survived the X-Ray machines at US airports. Never taken them abroad though.
     
  9. sjinsjca macrumors 68000

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    Ditto. Never a problem. Never a "shock," either.
     
  10. lizardking macrumors newbie

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    I took my MBP through security (US) just last week both while it was sleeping and shut down; it's fine.
     
  11. Jaro65 macrumors 68040

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    I took my MBP on many trips within the US and also to/within Europe. I haven't experienced any issues thus far.
     
  12. flat five macrumors 601

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    I've flown with a 7yr old PowerBook at least 200 times in the states and abroad. I never shut it down. It still has its original HD in there and it works fine.
     
  13. xjames macrumors member

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    thought US and Brazil airports I never had an issue with the MPB sleeping.

    However, thanks for the warning. No reason not to be careful. I'll shut down from now on.
     
  14. JoshGlzBrk macrumors 6502a

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  15. hslightnin macrumors newbie

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    as an airline pilot in the us, my MBP went through those machines in sleep mode 4-5 times a week. no problems ever.
     
  16. Inside_line macrumors regular

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    The conveyor belt machines use different x-rays than the machine you walk through... the machine you walk through is definitely bad and will wipe the drive. If possible, keep away from the walk-through metal detector.
     
  17. Mirabella macrumors regular

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    I've been through airport security with a MBP many times. Usually with the computer in sleep mode, not shut down. I've never had any problems from this, whatsoever.
     
  18. leesweet macrumors demi-god

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    Why is this written like the metal detector uses x-rays? Good grief... Anyway, the magnetic fields in the metal detectors are there for a reason, to detect metal. Why would you carry any laptop through a metal detector?

    As for the original question, my MBP has gone through the US X-ray machines several times in the last week while asleep (normal running, cover closed), no problems at all.
     
  19. Inside_line macrumors regular

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    Good grief... the point is to stay away from metal detectors. Sometimes they are in very close proximity to the x-ray machines and people don't think about stuff like this!
     
  20. m85476585 macrumors 65816

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    It takes an extremely strong magnetic field to wipe a hard drive. A metal detector only needs to create a small field, and it senses the changes that metal in that field causes. A MRI machine would probably wipe a hard drive, but a metal detector won't.
     
  21. Inside_line macrumors regular

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    An MRI machine probably would? MRI is 5 Tesla magnet... generating approximately 30,000x the force of gravity.

    Why argue this point? Much easier to just steer clear of the metal detectors (walk through machines and the wand).

    Now I know why I don't usually post on this forum... good grief!
     
  22. iketeru macrumors member

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    I'd be really surprised if x-ray machines ran at high enough energies to affect electronics. airports would have a lot of angry customers...more than usual that is!

    sending a MBP floating into space where it gets bombarded by cosmic rays, now THAT would be a problem ;)
     
  23. romeo26 macrumors member

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    as a radiology student. the machines will not have enough power, especially considering the size. the xray machine in the airport is more like a ct machine actually. but even though its like a ct machine it still would be a minimal amount. at the hospitals they have really expensive equipment right next to the xray tubes, ct machines and also the mri machines, they all still work great.

    in order to penetrate through the items at the airport it probably is no more then a finger technique is used!

    the metal detector is another animal, but dont know how they work so cant comment. also the shock you give the mbp when picking it up, can be a factor, but then iam not an electrical engineer!
     
  24. m85476585 macrumors 65816

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    Actually, an MRI machine is close to what it takes.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=17007&ch=infotech&a=f
    Of course, they are probably using a significantly stronger field than the minimum that would cause data corruption, but even if the threshold is a factor of 10 below the strength of magnets they are using, that's still a huge field.

    Another source:
    http://www.cobolhacker.com/?p=488
    According to this it takes about 2000 Oersteds to affect the data on a hard drive. 1 Oe = 1 Gauss in vacuum (air is close enough) = 10^-4 Tesla. So it takes ~.2T to affect the data on a hard drive. That's close to my estimate of .5T, or 1/10 the strength of a MRI machine (~5T). All these numbers are highly approximate, but since the fields are so strong, it doesn't even matter.

    If a metal detector was anywhere near the strength of an MRI machine, they would have to warn anyone who walks through. Some people have metal implants or piercings that could be affected by a strong field. They don't even let you walk around it if you have some kind of metal on your body, they still make you walk through, then they check you with a wand or pat-down on the other side. I can't find anything on the field strength or power of a metal detector, but there is no reason for it to be high. I did find this video that claims a calculator and AM radio is enough to make one
    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1706473/how_to_make_a_metal_detector/
    I haven't tried it, but it looks plausible. Maybe I'll try it tomorrow.
     
  25. IntelliUser macrumors 6502

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    Greece's going through a crisis, they have to cut down the costs somehow.
     

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