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Not to be overtly cynical here but given his runaway “successes” with student loan forgiveness and tackling inflation, I wouldn’t hold my breath on any of this coming anywhere near fruition.

Meanwhile, perhaps someone could send up a trial balloon so we can test the resolve of this administration to see something through from beginning to the end… Oh, wait. 👀
 
"Sideloading" sounds like "side bi***", as if a user cheats on Apple. How about calling things as they are: monopoly what exists now and as an antithesis to that free market.
That is ridiculous. Every government authority in the USA and the EU has been unable to make claims of a monopoly stick. If you take Intro to Economics 101, you will find they don't come close to meeting the definition of a monopoly. Their business practices are questionable in some circumstances, but not a monopoly by any definition.

The mobile market is wide open. What is iOS's percentage of it? 20%? How do you define that as a monopoly?
 
Well, seems like I've clearly responded to posts where I think you've made stuff up to support the position. For example, your claim that closed platforms are anti-competitive.
They are and that's quite obvious. Apple does not allow certain kinds of apps in the App Store. That's anti-competitive.

It's also in the public's best interest to have closed platforms.
I disagree. A gatekeeper allows for massive abuse. Apps get pulled at a moment's notice for no reason. That is not in society's best interest. Furthermore, the gatekeeper model allows authoritarian regimes to force whatever unethical and immoral requirements on the gatekeeper as a "cost of doing business."

I just think it's hypocritical to use "freedom!" as a shield when you are literally arguing for the government to force your preference on others.
As I've said before, certain industries deserve regulation and scrutiny. I think it's fair that we regulate utilities and telecoms. There's a clear benefit to society. I think the same should hold true for computing platforms that billions of people use every day. It's the government's job to protect the people from abusive corporations.

Apple's behavior is abusive and just because Android exists, that doesn't mean we should all just roll over and tolerate it. Imagine if you were a vape company that spent millions of dollars developing a product and a companion app only to have Apple capriciously pull your app from the app store because of a sudden, irrational media frenzy around vaping. Are you really going to defend such behavior?

Apple shouldn't get to be the moral arbiter of the entire iOS platform. They shouldn't get to ruin other businesses on a whim because they're worried about optics. There were other ways to travel back in the day, but it still made sense to regulate the railroads. Throughout American corporate history, one thing is undeniable. When allowed to do as they please, corporations always, inevitably, become abusive. I do believe in freedom, but I also believe that corporations need rules and boundaries or we'll all be living in 1920s coal mining Appalachia going to the company doctor, getting paid in company scrip, sending our kids to the company school...

I don't. I choose not to use Facebook and other apps that don't respect my idea of privacy.
Likewise!

This is pretty basic stuff here. The government forcing changes to a legal business model is far different than two companies deciding to go into business together under specific terms.
Yes, absolutely.

FWIW, in my view, I think the US government is clearly violating the first amendment by compelling speech and interfering with the freedom of association with these proposed regulations.
I disagree. Corporations are not people. The government is here to protect the people. The Constitution was written for the people, not corporations. This is just our time's version of the railroads or telecoms. Industries need to be policed and abusive behavior needs to be checked. The big industry today is tech and it's due for some guardrails.

Nope. I believe in freedom. And I believe you do too. But I don't believe in using it as an excuse to force to my view on others.
See my comments above. Unfettered freedom for corporations ultimately leads to abusive behavior. Our country's history is littered with examples. If a powerful corporation uses its power in an abusive way, it should be forced to change. Ultimately I believe in freedom for the people, but less so in freedom for corporations.

Two companies voluntarily choosing to do business under certain terms isn't "force". This is what I mean about you making stuff up to support an otherwise reasonable argument.
I agree. However, I don't think that you can ignore the fact that, to get your app on the iOS platform, you have to do whatever Apple says. Choosing not to means losing access to the platform. My way or the highway. No negotiation. The user doesn't even get to decide if he or she is okay with whatever the third party wants to do. This is the problem with gatekeepers. One entity gets to exercise enormous power and the only choice for the user or developer is to abandon the platform. That is not beneficial to society. Then you add the clear abuses like the vape example, which is indefensible, and it's very clear why regulations like the ones proposed (and sure to become law soon...the writing is on the wall) are needed.
 
This great news for innovation, nobody need ask Apples permission to launch their app. Great news for startups around the world.

:)
 
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Not to be overtly cynical here but given his runaway “successes” with student loan forgiveness and tackling inflation, I wouldn’t hold my breath on any of this coming anywhere near fruition.

Meanwhile, perhaps someone could send up a trial balloon so we can test the resolve of this administration to see something through from beginning to the end… Oh, wait. 👀

Just imagine the relentless outrage if *any* of this happened under Cheetoh Hitler. When it’s under “their guy” they work tirelessly to make it make sense to them for any other reason but the most obvious explanation

They were fired up when he had typos in his tweets. Those were the days , eh alba ?
 
Just imagine the relentless outrage if *any* of this happened under Cheetoh Hitler. When it’s under “their guy” they work tirelessly to make it make sense to them for any other reason but the most obvious explanation

They were fired up when he had typos in his tweets. Those were the days , eh alba ?

Absolutely, no contest. Plus, I'll take Biden's failures over the Cheeto any day.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment. Sadly, all it takes is one bad faith actor with the right voice and platform to muddle the waters and get enough misinformed politicians to start thinking of ways to dismantle a product that exists perfectly fine alongside an alternative that allows for everything that is being asked for.

As tired as the analogy is, it's waltzing up to a McDonald's and asking for a Whopper, and then throwing a fit when you're turned down, only to turn around and force them to make you a Whopper.
There was recently a letter from congressmen to both Google and Apple to remove Tic-Tok from the apps stores.
HOW IN THE HECK ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT WITH THESE NEW RULES???

These people don't think....
 
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These same changes should be enforced on games consoles. All modern smart phones, tablets and gaming consoles are personal computers. They might use different interface mechanisms (gaming controllers, touch screens, keyboards and mice) but they're performing an increasingly overlapping set of tasks.
 
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When Epic threw a hissyfit over Google's similar policies and made its app and third-party store side-load only it was a dismal failure, even on Android where users are used to having additional freedoms. Eventually Epic acquiesced and returned their apps to the Google Play Store and all of the restrictions therein.

That is the free market working as intended. Android users wanted the convenience of the main app store, in turn sales for Epic's software plummeted, so Epic changed course (they later sued, but that's a separate issue).

The same thing will happen on iOS. Developers who try to spin their apps off into side-load only will find their user base plummets and eventually come back to the App Store. Developers who use third party payment systems for in-app purchases, especially game power-ups, will no doubt see their sales drop as the convenience factor is lost and, again, re-enable the feature with the Apple tax.

No one is going to be forced to use third party app stores or sideloaded software if they don't want to, and Apple can still enable similar signing requirements that exist on macOS to ensure that the only software iOS runs is signed by a valid developer and respects the various system security controls.
For the millionth time. Epic sued Google too since it’s “too difficult to side load”. Android will be changing too. Epic and other companies are driving this. They just want more money. Not to make our lives better.
 
That is ridiculous. Every government authority in the USA and the EU has been unable to make claims of a monopoly stick. If you take Intro to Economics 101, you will find they don't come close to meeting the definition of a monopoly. Their business practices are questionable in some circumstances, but not a monopoly by any definition.

The mobile market is wide open. What is iOS's percentage of it? 20%? How do you define that as a monopoly?
Has to be this Economics 101 - which has to be some slanted "presented by NordVPN" YT channel - because India, EU, and now obvioisly even US missed it and slammed that bitten fruit company with exactly this anti-monopoly legislature.
I just wonder - to what degreed do you have to read 1984 to make such nonsensical doublethink and then managed to douvlethink yourself into believing your own nonsense.
 
With Joe's administrations name on this we should be worried.

The plot thickens ....

V : What is thy biddinnnnnng, my master?
E: There is a great disturbance in the force
V: I have felt it.
E : We have a new enemy, the young electronics company Apple (rebel) who destroyed the mobile phone market (Death Star). I have no doubt this company (boyee) is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
V: How is that possible?
E: Search your feelings Lord Vader ... you will know-it to be true. He could destroy us.
V: They're just a fruit company (he's just a boy). Steve Jobs (Obi-Wan) can no longer help Them (him).
E: The force is strong with them (him). The son of Wozniak (Skywalker) must not become a Jedi.
V: If They (he) could be turned, they (he) could become a powerful aly?!
E: Yeaaaas. They (He) would be a great, Asss-et. Can it be done?!
V: They (He) will join us or die master.


 
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1,000% agree with every suggestion. Microsoft went through this decades ago with windows and Internet Explorer specifically.

Apple needs to be reigned in on their semi-open ecosystem.
 
Why is this so hard to understand? If someone jailbreaks their device, it affects just that device. Fine. Got no problem with that. I also think it would fine to legally forbid device makers like Apple from going after that.

But that's not what is being asked of Apple. Apple is being asked to effectively jailbreak all their devices.



I've done development on iOS, so I'm familiar with it from that perspective.

You seriously think that entire list of demands can be done without altering the OS? I'm not even going to argue that. You're wrong and don't seem to understand how it works.



That's incredibly self-serving logic.

Let's say you're going to buy a new home. You're looking at two similar neighborhoods. One doesn't have an HOA and everyone can do what they want so the neighborhood is little less nice looking but hey, freedom to do what you want. The other has a very restrictive HOA and the neighbors there seem to be happy with how nice things look as a result. You choose the home in the restrictive HOA because you want the nicer looking neighborhood but once you're there, you start pushing for the rules and regulations to be done away with because you don't like it.

If you don't like it, choose the one without the restrictions. Some of us are okay with that because we don't want neon purple houses and overgrown lawns and political signs.

This isn't rocket science, bud. Stop complaining and move.
EXTACTLY! Can we please get 1% of this effort in the ISP space? Talk about monopolies. Addressing Spectrums monopoly should be more important than Apple's App Store policies.

And moving to another neighborhood or state is WAY WAY more work than moving to Android. My gosh people, talk about priorities here. I have been utterly frustrated with Spectrum for years.
 
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