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Big problems with Tiger (hopefully)
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Elbeano said:
Wait, I hate to be the moron, but reading through the thread, did you ever verify your SMART status? You really should do that. If your drive is on the way out the door, do you really want to be generating new and valuable documents, and sinking your time into them and having them destroyed? It takes less than half a minute to check, and it isn't as if it costs you anything....
ok, I got SMARTreporter, and there doesn't seem to be any problems. Other fun stuff that has arisen though... I can't get back all of iLife from the installation disks that came with my powerbook. I could only get garageband, and iDVD, no iMovie or iPhoto. The disks do not have dmgs for either of those two. This annoys me. Also, on my desktop, I now have a network icon, and a servers icon that I can't seem to get rid of. Also, in every single folder on the hard drive .DS_store, and .localized files have taken root, and reappear if I get rid of them. I really don't want the junk on my desktop. What's the deal with those, and what are they doing??? Seriously... this has felt like a very "PC" few days for me here...
well... I just talked with compUSA, they'll do an installation of a hard drive, even if I didn't buy it there, for 30 bucks. That beats me opening this thing up and screwing it up. Now, the question is... will this work in it?
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101227
I'm still probably not going to do anything unless I have to.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101227
I'm still probably not going to do anything unless I have to.
Elbeano said:
I would refer you to Newegg. They have very good prices and ship super fast.
Here's a list of drives similar in spec to what you listed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ce=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=380&Submit=Property
-Dave
I've used both newegg and zipzoomfly. Usually when I built a PC I'd put one of them up on each monitor, and then buy a part from whichever place was a few bucks cheaper. The one that I want (which is actually the 8meg buffer version of the one I put a link to) only differs a buck between the two sites. However... like I said, I'm probably not going to do that unless this machine gives me another reason to.
On the help note though, I have one more request...
Where do I get my iMovie and iPhoto from??? I can't find them on either of the reinstallation disks that came with my PB, and they should definitely be there. However, if I even wanted to talk to apple about it, they were going to charge me 50 dollars. For that, I'd just go buy iLife '05.
On the help note though, I have one more request...
Where do I get my iMovie and iPhoto from??? I can't find them on either of the reinstallation disks that came with my PB, and they should definitely be there. However, if I even wanted to talk to apple about it, they were going to charge me 50 dollars. For that, I'd just go buy iLife '05.
Are you sure that you've got all the installation disks? It seems very strange that you wouldn't have all the iLife suite. 
Before you buy a new drive, try reformatting the old one. My cube had a similar problem installing Tiger and it turned out to be a file system problem. DiskWarrior would have fixed it but I had nothing to lose by reformatting.
Boot from the Tiger DVD and open disk utility. Erase your hard drive from there and do a clean install of Tiger. If you get the same errors then it's beccause of the drive itself. It makes sense to rule out the stuff that you can fix for free before you spend a lot of money.
You have backups of all your data, right?
If you have all the discs that came with your computer you will have iLife.
Boot from the Tiger DVD and open disk utility. Erase your hard drive from there and do a clean install of Tiger. If you get the same errors then it's beccause of the drive itself. It makes sense to rule out the stuff that you can fix for free before you spend a lot of money.
You have backups of all your data, right?
If you have all the discs that came with your computer you will have iLife.
Elbeano said:
The .DS_store files are 'hidden' files where the Finder stores information regarding how you like the info in that folder to be displayed. They are quite normal.
Have you tried booting from the Tiger DVD and repairing your hard drive from Disk Utility?
Hi everyone,
Just my thoughts -
Not likely to be a hardware problem as it happened just after tiger upgrade (unless a big coincidence).
The behaviour is reminiscent of what seemed to happens with the earlier versions of OS X when the grey screen of death was more common. Presumably preferences get all screwy and worst case files are overwritten (especially if you try to restart twice!) and if these are low level directory/volume files then the disk stops working and Disk Utility may not be able to repair the disk - happened too often to me in the past.
Things to do next time before reformatting:
1)start up in single user mode (command s): allows commandline entries and you can attempt to repair the disk (may work better than disk utility) or move important data onto a firewire disk
2)firewire boot - either boot from a firewire disk to your computer or take your computer and connect as a firewire drive to another mac (allows you to repair disk with 3rd party progs such as disk warrior or copy files off the drive)
3)if valuable/irreplaceable info then buy a firewire enclosure and 2nd harddrive and swap or get someone to swap out your disk and use original disk in firewire enclosure (had to do this before) and remember to always back up important info!
I know people talk about fresh install and archiving but I think the most important thing to do to make your update work ok is to repair permissions before and after updating the operating system.
Also Tiger appears a bit buggy with things at present hopefully fixed in next update!
Cheers
Steve
Just my thoughts -
Not likely to be a hardware problem as it happened just after tiger upgrade (unless a big coincidence).
The behaviour is reminiscent of what seemed to happens with the earlier versions of OS X when the grey screen of death was more common. Presumably preferences get all screwy and worst case files are overwritten (especially if you try to restart twice!) and if these are low level directory/volume files then the disk stops working and Disk Utility may not be able to repair the disk - happened too often to me in the past.
Things to do next time before reformatting:
1)start up in single user mode (command s): allows commandline entries and you can attempt to repair the disk (may work better than disk utility) or move important data onto a firewire disk
2)firewire boot - either boot from a firewire disk to your computer or take your computer and connect as a firewire drive to another mac (allows you to repair disk with 3rd party progs such as disk warrior or copy files off the drive)
3)if valuable/irreplaceable info then buy a firewire enclosure and 2nd harddrive and swap or get someone to swap out your disk and use original disk in firewire enclosure (had to do this before) and remember to always back up important info!
I know people talk about fresh install and archiving but I think the most important thing to do to make your update work ok is to repair permissions before and after updating the operating system.
Also Tiger appears a bit buggy with things at present hopefully fixed in next update!
Cheers
Steve
I've had similiar experiences. What to do, is do verify/repair disk through disk repair utility by booting off the cd, press and hold c to do this. But, tiger exposes weakness in an HD. I tried to run the verify disk, even though my smart status was fine and, it didnt work. Luckily, mine was under warranty and apple took care of me, but i think a new HD for you will be perfect. Good luck
this morning both SMARTReporter, and disk utility told me my drive will fail soon, so it's definite now. I liked the message in disk utility the most, it said something to the effect of "we can't believe you've gotten as far as to look at this, but if your hard drive is still somehow working, you'd better start backing stuff up NOW". oh well... going from a 60 gig 4200rpm drive to an 80gig 5400rpm drive with an 8 meg buffer isn't going to be the worst thing in the world...
actually the worst thing in the world will be using my PC until I can buy the new hard drive...
oh, and all of the parts of iLife definitely aren't on the reinstall disks, I looked through them quite a bit. I'll just borrow my friend's copy.
actually the worst thing in the world will be using my PC until I can buy the new hard drive...
oh, and all of the parts of iLife definitely aren't on the reinstall disks, I looked through them quite a bit. I'll just borrow my friend's copy.
Elbeano said:
When you insert the original disks that came with you computer, (don't start off of them, after you install Tiger or whatever) there is an icon on the CD to "Install just Applications" as opposed to the other icon which reads "Install Panther/Tiger and Applications" (depending on your disk, circle appropriate OS)
At least, that's how mine is...