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When you build a better mousetrap, nature builds a better mouse. Since this is something governments are doing (and agreeing on) we already know it can't be a good thing. I'm assuming huge loopholes and exemptions will exist and corporations will have their tax avoidance specialists working on new creative math to make it so they pay (much) less in taxes.
 
All that has happened is that prices WILL be going up. If people think that APPLE(used as an example) is going to take a 15% tax increase and just live with it then think again! How about a 15% increase in their pricing for that shiny new iPhone is more like it. Or like whats happening in the grocery stores it's the same price but less product. Companies work for a profit and they'll always make money. Just the way it is, folks.

Don't you think Apple will already being selling their devices as the highest prices they know they can? If they could increase their prices without it reducing demand, you can bet they would have done so already. They'll have invested a small fortune finding that sweet spot.
 
All that has happened is that prices WILL be going up. If people think that APPLE(used as an example) is going to take a 15% tax increase and just live with it then think again! How about a 15% increase in their pricing for that shiny new iPhone is more like it. Or like whats happening in the grocery stores it's the same price but less product. Companies work for a profit and they'll always make money. Just the way it is, folks.
Apple maximizes profit whether there's the tax or not. With X% more tax, that maximization will result in higher prices, but not X% higher. Less than that. Given how marked up their products are already and how nonessential they are, a lot less than X%. And they lose profit.

This isn't an argument in favor of taxes, I'm just saying how pricing works.

Edit: Oh, it's a tax on profit, so actually it doesn't affect prices at all in the short term. But long term they'll have less capital for R&D, which has unknown effects.
 
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Remember when Brexit meant making our own laws? Not really, we're part of the globalist hellscape. All this decision does is hurts small businesses and international trade.... so dumb. I'm done with the spineless lefty conservatives, who are not conservative at all. China is gonna walk all over us....
I have complaints about tax rates but not about eliminating tax loopholes. Those are bad for everyone. I also have no idea if this agreement really changes anything.
 
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All that has happened is that prices WILL be going up. If people think that APPLE(used as an example) is going to take a 15% tax increase and just live with it then think again! How about a 15% increase in their pricing for that shiny new iPhone is more like it. Or like whats happening in the grocery stores it's the same price but less product. Companies work for a profit and they'll always make money. Just the way it is, folks.
Anytime that governments get together and conspire to create MORE rules, or to raise your taxes, this is always a cause for healthy concern.
And that's also fine. The market will support what the market will support.
It will support less. It will support fewer jobs. It will support lower innovation. This is what always happens when your taxes go up.
You should ask congres and the GOP who are blocking this.
Or maybe voting against high taxes is defending freedom and liberty.
I agree with corporations paying their fair share but even 15% on profit is still a cut to the bottom line. Shareholders and their respective board's will figure a way to make up for that loss.
And this is the rub. Although some taxes are necessary in order to pay for the cost of governance, taxes are way too often used as a blunt instrument to expand governmental power, and NOT to promote or preserve individual liberties, or even fairness.

And here’s a little surprise for some of you: Corporations don’t pay taxes. Oh sure, they pay a tax bill. But YOU THE CONSUMER pay all taxes in the cost of the products and services you buy. You THINK you’re “getting back at” the evil huge corporation with this inter-country conspiracy to raise everybody’s taxes. Many of you are showing some off-the-chart smugness at this news article, but I think it’s just jealousy and envy. Yes, the very thing you accuse corporations of…you are yourself guilty of, because it is a base human emotion and you’re no better than anybody else, regardless of your own high and mighty opinions of yourselves.

And here’s ANOTHER surprise: Whether it’s a company or individual’s taxes at issue, raising somebody ELSE’s taxes never makes things better for you personally. Quite to the contrary, it could make your personal situation worse in the long run, because by not fighting this, all you’ll do is make the governmental beast bigger, stronger, and hungrier for more. It’s a beast that turns tax collections into graft, corruption, and hypocrisy. Yes, even in YOUR country.

You’re no better than me, and your country is no more altruistic than mine. So feed that beast if you must, but don’t be surprised when one day, that beast’s hunger will be so insatiable and there will be so few food sources left, that the beast will see you. “Oh not me,” you’ll say. “I’m good! I’m not like all those other people at those companies. They’re eeeevil and I’m not!”

But you’ll be the next course on his menu, because he has already devastated all of the corporate herds within his reach. And after all, a meal is a meal, and by now you’re looking nicely plump. Will you be devoured by the very same beast that you fed, nurtured, and wanted to make stronger all because “big corporations all bad”?

Seriously! How many of the G7 countries are guilty of significant corruption, injustice, financial malfeasance, downright incompetence, and human rights violations? I suggest to you that the answer is something pretty close to “all of them”. And now you’re TRUSTING them even to the point that you’re CHEERING at their collaboration to raise somebody’s taxes? For me, this sets off an alarm. It’s sad that so many others are so trusting in governmental bodies that can’t demonstrate even a minimal level of trustworthiness even in the last few years.

I implore you, please set your envy aside. It doesn’t help anybody and it won’t make the world a better place.
 
G7 called, they want their money back.. The income they hid un-taxed is not enough, they need more. Hurry up, they need us now. Let's be solidarian to corporations' demands, let's serve them better. As if they haven't had it enough already.

Good, it will work out.

Many companies barely declare much profit anyway. So many run on debt. So many run up expenses and debt so they can evade taxes. Some fake their expenses. Some fake their sales and hire pump and dump teams to manipulate stonks.

So there has to be a higher tax and the money gotta be spent on educating young people not to be crooks, be responsible, invest and grow safely, be sustainable not a greedy pig. Education system in the West especially in US is ranked soooo low compared to even Vietnam. No wonder the society wants to fight and eat each other and chase different scams all day.
If only they were so altruistic and their intentions were about improving our lives, not theirs first. They don't want us to to be educated enough, so we won't raise uncomfortable questions..

All that has happened is that prices WILL be going up. If people think that APPLE(used as an example) is going to take a 15% tax increase and just live with it then think again! How about a 15% increase in their pricing for that shiny new iPhone is more like it. Or like whats happening in the grocery stores it's the same price but less product. Companies work for a profit and they'll always make money. Just the way it is, folks.
Indeed, we all pay for no matter what tax rate they decide upon. We're the product, they're the consumers.. we just don't realize it yet.. When we realize it, we will not buy things randomly and be more mindful how we spend those money, if they give us any at some point.. It's a very tight leash they're trying to keep us, just to milk us more for whatever they like to do with the market. We're the market...
About time indeed, but they could do with lifting the living standards of people first. This is good, but again, this should not have been a priority. Priority should have been to ensure that people have a minimum standard of living, a job.
That's only if we presume they are concern with our needs, but let's say they aren't.. There is huge difference when someone is motivated because of a profit vs someone doing it all right by morals and genuity.
 
The underlying question here is how rich they want to be by raising the taxes. If you think that will make our life better, you're in the wrong reality. Wake the H-up :) In order for our lives to be better, all those millions of trillions they have should be invested and I don't see them volunteerly give up what they have just to make us feel better. Even on the opposite, they're actually thinking how to make sure they'll secure what they have in future, by just making our lives even more harder and challenging. After they're eating out all of our prospects for better live and guess what, by the so called democratic vote, we all agreed to this. Until one beautiful day when humanity really grow up and see things for what they truly are.
 
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Anytime that governments get together and conspire to create MORE rules, or to raise your taxes, this is always a cause for healthy concern.

It will support less. It will support fewer jobs. It will support lower innovation. This is what always happens when your taxes go up.

Or maybe voting against high taxes is defending freedom and liberty.

We are nowhere near a situation for "healthy concern" or "defending freedom".

It was reported this week that Microsoft paid zero corporation tax on $315 BILLION OF PROFIT.

We are at the stage where the world is on fire and billionaires are whinging that fire engines will make their swimming pool fill up a few minutes slower.
 
From my point of view, the only fair solution to this issues (at least in Europe) is make the companies pay the taxes on the country they generate the profit, the sells.

So, if a French winemaker sells wine to a Norwegian the winemaker should pay tax to Norway?
If an Icelandic Viking knife-maker sells to people in Germany he has to pay taxes in Germany?

It means, a small business needs to know the tax system for all the countries they sell to. Kind of defeats the purpose of the common market.
 
The US will loose a lot of money on this. Every extra tax dollar (or Euro) paid in Europe will be one less dollar paid in US federal taxes.
 
These companies aren't paying US taxes anyway. They're hoarding money overseas until the opportunity to sneak it back in under a special deal comes up.

Even those special deals imposed a low tax rate. Since the corporations paid very little tax the full low tax rate was paid in federal taxes.

With the TCJA in 2017, US companies are taxed on income in foreign subsidiaries with a credit on foreign tax paid. Which means more taxes paid to Europe equals less tax in the US.
 
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Finally. Pisses me off that I pay such high taxes and yet these companies pay almost nothing. Once these companies start to pay as much as average citizens then hopefully the governments could improve things like education, health care etc.
Unless of course the corrupt ****ers rob us there :)
 
Anytime that governments get together and conspire to create MORE rules, or to raise your taxes, this is always a cause for healthy concern.

It will support less. It will support fewer jobs. It will support lower innovation. This is what always happens when your taxes go up.

Or maybe voting against high taxes is defending freedom and liberty.

And this is the rub. Although some taxes are necessary in order to pay for the cost of governance, taxes are way too often used as a blunt instrument to expand governmental power, and NOT to promote or preserve individual liberties, or even fairness.

And here’s a little surprise for some of you: Corporations don’t pay taxes. Oh sure, they pay a tax bill. But YOU THE CONSUMER pay all taxes in the cost of the products and services you buy. You THINK you’re “getting back at” the evil huge corporation with this inter-country conspiracy to raise everybody’s taxes. Many of you are showing some off-the-chart smugness at this news article, but I think it’s just jealousy and envy. Yes, the very thing you accuse corporations of…you are yourself guilty of, because it is a base human emotion and you’re no better than anybody else, regardless of your own high and mighty opinions of yourselves.

And here’s ANOTHER surprise: Whether it’s a company or individual’s taxes at issue, raising somebody ELSE’s taxes never makes things better for you personally. Quite to the contrary, it could make your personal situation worse in the long run, because by not fighting this, all you’ll do is make the governmental beast bigger, stronger, and hungrier for more. It’s a beast that turns tax collections into graft, corruption, and hypocrisy. Yes, even in YOUR country.

You’re no better than me, and your country is no more altruistic than mine. So feed that beast if you must, but don’t be surprised when one day, that beast’s hunger will be so insatiable and there will be so few food sources left, that the beast will see you. “Oh not me,” you’ll say. “I’m good! I’m not like all those other people at those companies. They’re eeeevil and I’m not!”

But you’ll be the next course on his menu, because he has already devastated all of the corporate herds within his reach. And after all, a meal is a meal, and by now you’re looking nicely plump. Will you be devoured by the very same beast that you fed, nurtured, and wanted to make stronger all because “big corporations all bad”?

Seriously! How many of the G7 countries are guilty of significant corruption, injustice, financial malfeasance, downright incompetence, and human rights violations? I suggest to you that the answer is something pretty close to “all of them”. And now you’re TRUSTING them even to the point that you’re CHEERING at their collaboration to raise somebody’s taxes? For me, this sets off an alarm. It’s sad that so many others are so trusting in governmental bodies that can’t demonstrate even a minimal level of trustworthiness even in the last few years.

I implore you, please set your envy aside. It doesn’t help anybody and it won’t make the world a better place.
This is nothing more than fear porn. Yes, let’s continue the status quo where inequality continues to increase..

The status quo is what 40 years of trickle down economics has gotten us. Time for a new paradigm.
 
So, if a French winemaker sells wine to a Norwegian the winemaker should pay tax to Norway?
If an Icelandic Viking knife-maker sells to people in Germany he has to pay taxes in Germany?

It means, a small business needs to know the tax system for all the countries they sell to. Kind of defeats the purpose of the common market.
Businesses less than a certain size could be exempted from those rules. Whether something like that will actually be put in place I don’t know.
 
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All that has happened is that prices WILL be going up. If people think that APPLE(used as an example) is going to take a 15% tax increase and just live with it then think again! How about a 15% increase in their pricing for that shiny new iPhone is more like it. Or like whats happening in the grocery stores it's the same price but less product. Companies work for a profit and they'll always make money. Just the way it is, folks.

Will they? Is that kinda like how McDonald's would need to raise the price of a Big Mac by $1 if they had to pay 15/hr wages? That never happened, and they're paying those wages by choice right now. If prices do go up it'd be by pennies, or fractions of them, per unit to flatten the change to remain equal.
 
So collusion on tax rates by corrupt governments. When businesses do this it is illegal price fixing. This is heinous and the big countries are acting like mafiosos to prevent smaller countries from structuring their sovereign taxes to be more attractive to business and jobs. That’s how capitalism is supposed to work.
 
It will support less. It will support fewer jobs. It will support lower innovation. This is what always happens when your taxes go up.

Please provide specific examples of "more innovation" and "more jobs" from the 1980-2020 in direct comparison to 1945-1980 when the corporate tax rate was over 50% when this "fewer jobs" and "lower innovation" supposedly occurred.

I'll wait. You might want to stay away from looking up Bell Labs while doing so, or what demographic JFKs tax cut favored.
 
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