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Photorun said:
He doesn't give money, his foundation does, and he barely puts any of his money into his foundation, he's a worthless waste of carbon molecules, which is insultive to carbon everywhere.

Sorry, but you are quite wrong. I would think that you'd get some facts straight before shooting your mouth off.

Look up how much he gave, and when. His major gifts to his foundation were substantial percentages of his wealth at the time he gave them. Do the terms tens of billions make any impression on you?
 
Photorun said:
Yes but how much money does he tithe vs. his income, you'll find it's obscenely low. This guy could fund the ISS, the entire tsunami clean up, and buy South America and still have enough money to buy up half the US companies. Back when there was the Carnegies, the Rockafellers, and other rich families made so by the Industrial Revolution those families would give 10% of their wealth to charities (mostly the arts). If you look at the dollar amounds Bill gives, it's a fraction of 1% of his total income, that's a joke, why does anybody need 100 billion dollars? In an interview once this soulless Satan mofo showed his true colors, when speaking about the majority of his wealth he was asked what he'd do with it, he answered "oh I'll probably leave it in my will for my kids." That's it, no trying to help causes while he's alive, he's only concerned about himself and his kids. Hell, his wife according to my friend's boyfriend, who worked IT at his huge ridiculous often buggy crashy mansion doesn't even sleep in the same bed, would you? She married him not for looks or brains, maybe she's cut off. Finally I only make about $50K a year, of which I give OVER 10%, which is nothing, NOTHING, a drop in the bucket. Meanwhile this soulless prick's even 5% would be more than the GNP of over 70% of the countries on the planet. He's a prick because he IS a cheap prick, not because we're jealous, we just know a scumbag for the colors he shows when we see one.

Sorry, dead wrong.

Remember. income is NOT wealth. What he gives is often MULTIPLES of his income.

As well, what he has given to his foundation is about 25 to 27 billion, which is well above the 10% figure you've given out. He also regularly adds to that each year (all of the recent Microsoft dividend went to the Foundation). What the foundation's given is also totalled in the billions (they're currently giving $1.2 billion a year).

Did you know that Melinda was quite wealthy before she even met Bill?

And you got it exactly backwards on what he intends to give to his children. The Foundation is getting about 95% of it.

Geez, guys, what's so hard about doing some homework....
 
Could someone please help out Clayton with someone server space, and if the file is too big, how bout you make a torrent of the file so we won't use up massive server space. I'm dying to see this video, since I love Conan, and love seeing Gates screw up in front of a crowd.
 
Hi,

I tried making a bit torrent file but I didn't really know what I was doing, and the server space that I have here is ****ed up right now. If you have AIM I'll send it to you if you want it. The file is only 15mb.

Peace
Clayton
 
Ok clayton, I've e-mailed you and PMed you to say I will help. CONTACT ME so we can get this up! :mad:
 
Hmmm... I've got nothing against Bill Gates - I used to dislike him but I've been finding out more about him and he seems pretty cool

What I don't like is the way people boast about charity donations... Something about it just doesn't sit right with me. I'm not saying that's what he's done here, but it reminded me of saturday(?)'s Daily Mail (a right-wing british newspaper seen by many, including myself, as trashy). An article listed many major celebrities and how much (if any) they had given to Tsunami relief efforts - as if it were a race.

I think it's great that people give to charity... but I don't see my name in writing every time I give a coupla pounds to this or that...

Hob
 
hob said:
Hmmm... I've got nothing against Bill Gates - I used to dislike him but I've been finding out more about him and he seems pretty cool

What I don't like is the way people boast about charity donations... Something about it just doesn't sit right with me. I'm not saying that's what he's done here, but it reminded me of saturday(?)'s Daily Mail (a right-wing british newspaper seen by many, including myself, as trashy). An article listed many major celebrities and how much (if any) they had given to Tsunami relief efforts - as if it were a race.

I think it's great that people give to charity... but I don't see my name in writing every time I give a coupla pounds to this or that...

Hob

Well, you have to know, too, who is releasing this information...a lot of times the receiving organization will release the information, with the permission of the donor.There is often a positive trigger effect for more donations if a well known person is trumpeted as a major donor.
 
Well, you have to put Bill's charitable contributions into perspective. The guy has like 40 billion dollars. I think we can all agree that that is more money than any one man could possibly spend. He gave $42 million to a charity? Big ***** deal. Consider this: If his net worth is $40 billion and he gives away $40 million, that's 1/1000th of his net worth. My net worth, as a poor college student, is probably around $10,000. So it would be like me donating $10 to fight malaria. Big deal, I certainly don't think it would be worthy of front page news.

When you have $40 billion, $40 million is chump change. When you have $40 billion, you literally run out of things to buy. Nothing like a charitable donation to make people forget that he runs the most evil corporation in the history of man kind.
 
gwangung said:
Then you, like them, are ignorant.

How is giving to 3rd World AIDS and vaccination power furthering his monopoly power? We're talking biological vaccines here, not computer vaccines....

All this show is the rank jealousy most people have for those more fortunate than they...
First, where exactly do you get off attacking my beliefs, sir? I have not attacked you.

Secondly, I do not begrudge anyone success. I merely qualify it by thinking well of those who use more honorable means to derive an income, and by thinking ill of those who use less honorable means to do so.

Bill and Microsoft definitely used less honorable means to attain their station in life.

If you think that I hate Bill because I'm jealous of his income, consider that basically everyone on this entire freaking planet is a pauper compared to Bill. You would do well in future, sir, to kindly remember if you're the pot to not call the kettle black.

Microsoft is to Bill what Apple is to Steve: each is a part of the other. Bill is and has always been interested in and obsessed with power, control and domination. Steve's interest is in "changing the world" for the better.

I can't believe we're both on a Mac board and we're having to rehash these things.

Wealth, like any weapon, is not evil in and of itself. It's what you do with it.

Oh, and another thing: the political and social tactics of class envy are for the weak-minded. I don't participate in, nor do I subscribe to class envy.
 
OK, despite the fact this thread turned somewhat sour I thought it'd be interesting to point out it's only hit british news shows today... maybe it's cos he's actually been in some eastern country recently!!

Hob
 
anubis said:
Well, you have to put Bill's charitable contributions into perspective. The guy has like 40 billion dollars.

More like $80 billion, given that he's diversified.

And he's given about 30-35 billion away, with more to come. Not chump change.
 
MikeTheC said:
First, where exactly do you get off attacking my beliefs, sir? I have not attacked you.

Secondly, I do not begrudge anyone success. I merely qualify it by thinking well of those who use more honorable means to derive an income, and by thinking ill of those who use less honorable means to do so.

Bill and Microsoft definitely used less honorable means to attain their station in life.

If you think that I hate Bill because I'm jealous of his income, consider that basically everyone on this entire freaking planet is a pauper compared to Bill. You would do well in future, sir, to kindly remember if you're the pot to not call the kettle black.

Microsoft is to Bill what Apple is to Steve: each is a part of the other. Bill is and has always been interested in and obsessed with power, control and domination. Steve's interest is in "changing the world" for the better.

I can't believe we're both on a Mac board and we're having to rehash these things.

Wealth, like any weapon, is not evil in and of itself. It's what you do with it.

Oh, and another thing: the political and social tactics of class envy are for the weak-minded. I don't participate in, nor do I subscribe to class envy.

I am attacking your mistaken beliefs, because they do not have any basis in facts. Feel free to attack Gates' business ethics (and lack thereof); however, Gates' philanthropy is far more extensive than you think, and has been in place for far longer than you think. It's well known in the philanthropic community that Gates has been quite generous--he's been quite interested in changing the world for the better for a long, long time, and has put his money where his mouth is.

Feel free to say that his business tactics are scummy or that he's giving from guilt, but don't say that he hasn't given anything, or that it's just chump change or that he's keeping it all for his kids. That's just not true..and easily shown not to be true. Folks who have such a reckless disregard for the truth just don't have the moral standing to criticize.
 
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