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they are both just bitter because the $100 laptop wont be running windows on the latest intel chips. petty, and a completely unacceptable excuse. sorry, but there you have it. sure bill, send em a dell, but what you fail to realise is that there wont be a plug for hundreds of miles, leave alone a broadband connection.

it's not about having the latest stuff in this situation bill...do you really think they are going to care whether it runs vista well? do you think they will find it unacceptable if they cant dual boot or run final cut pro on it? get real. its about expanding information technology around the globe so everyone can share it.

:rolleyes:

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Josh said:
Because the statement is coming from a man (Gates) who gives MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars to charities and underprivalliged groups, I don't quite think that's what he is 'basically saying.'

More like billions upon billions. He has given more money away than the 4th or 5th richest man in the world has today, possibly even more money than the 3rd richest man has.

I want a handcrank in a modern laptop. If this solution will offer ultra portability, then the only reason not to get one is vanity. Anyway, it only takes like a few seconds of cranking to get 20 minutes of battery life, which isn't exactly a lot of work.
 
Abstract said:
I want a handcrank in a modern laptop. If this solution will offer ultra portability, then the only reason not to get one is vanity. Anyway, it only takes like a few seconds of cranking to get 20 minutes of battery life, which isn't exactly a lot of work.


Exactly. I really like the idea, and if someone came up with an external add-on to recharge my PowerBook that way, I'd seriously consier buying one. Besides, Gates mocked the crank, but absolutely ignored the fact that the laptop also has a regular ac/dc adaptor... All his comments were absolutely moronic, they felt like trolling a lot more than critique (constructive of otherwise).
 
emaja said:
I hate how he mentions broadband as if it is a birthright. Not everyone in the US has access to BB, and in the countries that this laptop is aimed at, there is no universal access to electricity even.


If they dont even have access to electricity they have a few more important things to worry about, like ummm. food? getting electricity? not playing solitare.

I think Bill was right on also I think calling this $100 dollar POS a "gadget" was him being nice. In my opinion this 100 dollar laptop is a mistake and a HUGE waste of resources. I think wal-mart sells that same laptop in most stores for liek 15 dollard:rolleyes:
 
I think it's pretty easy to understand Bill's attitude toward this project. in the coming years, developing countries will be some of the largest growth markets for PC sales.

I believe this project hopes to deploy 100 million of these units over a period of time. If each unit provides educational exposure to 5-10 kids over its life cycle, that's a lot of kids growing up on a sytem other than windows.

I wonder if that could have any impact on MS's global market share over the next decade?
 
NWAMacTech said:
If they dont even have access to electricity they have a few more important things to worry about, like ummm. food? getting electricity? not playing solitare.

I think Bill was right on also I think calling this $100 dollar POS a "gadget" was him being nice. In my opinion this 100 dollar laptop is a mistake and a HUGE waste of resources. I think wal-mart sells that same laptop in most stores for liek 15 dollard:rolleyes:

I think you need to read this too (I originally posted it in the other thread on this subject):

Linkjeniero said:
You're being kind of narrow minded here... What those kids need is not only food and medication, but also an education that will allow them to help themselves and their countries later in life; that is, to break the vicious circle of poverty. That's the whole point of the program. And it's not like they're taking money from the poor, uneducated people in the US to make those laptops; what they're doing is offer it to the governments of those countries at a price they can afford, and at no loss. They are able to offer them at just $100 because they're made cheaply, without any bells and whistles, and in really big quantities.

About the idiotic comments of Bill Gates: he is clearly showing that he doesn't know sh*t about designing a product with the user in mind, instead of pulling it out of his ass and let the user struggle with it, as he has been doing his whole life. He laughs about the crank, but completely ignores the fact that the kids who will be using the thing live in places with no electricity! Perharps he wants to have them use metanol instead? . IIRC, in places like Africa they have crank-powered radios, and they work just fine. It's not like you have to crank it continuously to have it work, like Bill is trying to imply; instead, you crank it every hour or so (probably more for the laptops; but if you ask me, that's better than having to plug it after an hour of use, like it happens with many laptops nowadays). He also says they should offer broadband connection... Maybe he isn't aware that there are whole countries in Africa that have a 1 mb/s connection? (that's 1 mb/s for the WHOLE country. And it's all for the government). Instead, what they did in the MIT is give the laptops an easy to set up MANET, something they can actually use (I bet Bill would just toss in an AOL coaster ). He said a lot about the computer being "shared", but AFAIK these laptops are personal (I remember Negroponte clearly stating that it should be one per kid, to give them a sense of ownership). According to gates, the thing is useless without a big ass HD... but what is it for? Those kids are just gonna be doing homework with it, and text and images aren't THAT heavy... maybe he doesn't recall that not so long ago, hard drives weren't bigger than today's pendrives? And finally, he also mocked the screen... too small to be useful, he said. Funny, because it looks bigger than the one on his Origami thing... and the resolution is the same that I used 10 years ago; and as far as I remember, I could read the text in my screen just fine. What Bill never addresses is the fact that all his "improvements" to the laptop would make it so expensive, that the whole purpose of it would be defeated... No poor kid could ever have one.
 
NWAMacTech said:
If they dont even have access to electricity they have a few more important things to worry about, like ummm. food? getting electricity? not playing solitare.

I think Bill was right on also I think calling this $100 dollar POS a "gadget" was him being nice. In my opinion this 100 dollar laptop is a mistake and a HUGE waste of resources. I think wal-mart sells that same laptop in most stores for liek 15 dollard:rolleyes:
Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime.
 
I have read the comments here, so far. And I find that there may be a disconnect among a few.

The $100 laptop is a tool for developing nations to gain a foothold for their future. Gate's comments about broadband access is very telling. In many parts of the US, broadband is still a dream. Even in our bigger cities, broadband is something for those that can afford it.

Sure there is talk of making some cities wi-fi accessible. But this is being fought by telecommunication companies and taxpayers alike. But sometimes we look at our own abilities, and forget that there are many that don't even have a telephone line to their homes. That $10 to $20 for modem access, even if they have a telephone line, is a luxury. Given the websites today with their heavy graphics and such, dial-up access is not much help.

The $100 laptop, based on what I have read, is to give developing nations a chance to learn word processing, simple spreadsheets, access to data (like books and such) at an affordable level.

But in our own nation, we have many that can't afford even the cheapest of the computers out there. They can't afford access to the wealth of information out there on the web. There needs to be a equal effort to secure for our nations children for an affordable laptop. One that could be purchased by parents or state and local governments.

There is also a need to secure for our nations children FREE broadband access to the WWW. Time for us as a nation to address the need to make each and every individual capable of contributing to the better good of the country as a whole.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
I have read the comments here, so far. And I find that there may be a disconnect among a few.

The $100 laptop is a tool for developing nations to gain a foothold for their future. Gate's comments about broadband access is very telling. In many parts of the US, broadband is still a dream. Even in our bigger cities, broadband is something for those that can afford it.

Sure there is talk of making some cities wi-fi accessible. But this is being fought by telecommunication companies and taxpayers alike. But sometimes we look at our own abilities, and forget that there are many that don't even have a telephone line to their homes. That $10 to $20 for modem access, even if they have a telephone line, is a luxury. Given the websites today with their heavy graphics and such, dial-up access is not much help.

The $100 laptop, based on what I have read, is to give developing nations a chance to learn word processing, simple spreadsheets, access to data (like books and such) at an affordable level.

But in our own nation, we have many that can't afford even the cheapest of the computers out there. They can't afford access to the wealth of information out there on the web. There needs to be a equal effort to secure for our nations children for an affordable laptop. One that could be purchased by parents or state and local governments.

There is also a need to secure for our nations children FREE broadband access to the WWW. Time for us as a nation to address the need to make each and every individual capable of contributing to the better good of the country as a whole.

Watch out because the hardcore capitalists/Republicans on this board will tell you to shut up for giving too much to "lazy people."
 
GATES (Good At Talking Embarrassing Stuff)

I mean come on, the point is the laptop is produce for people in 3rd world countries mostly. I have been in east timor, it's a war zone (civil war at that time) where poor people cant even afford food, and giving them the chance to enrich themselves with computer is a good thing, even with a cheap extra super duper low end laptop.

Talk is easy, instead of criticizing, why dont he start making one that does not need electricity to power up.
 
applefan said:
I think it's pretty easy to understand Bill's attitude toward this project. in the coming years, developing countries will be some of the largest growth markets for PC sales.

I believe this project hopes to deploy 100 million of these units over a period of time. If each unit provides educational exposure to 5-10 kids over its life cycle, that's a lot of kids growing up on a sytem other than windows.

I wonder if that could have any impact on MS's global market share over the next decade?

This is exactly why Gates is upset. Early on, Apple was the only company that gave schools great deals on computers. This strategy paid HUGE dividends for Apple and really until their collapse in the late 90s, Macintoshes dominated the education scene. What happens when people grow up using Macs? They buy Macs.

The prospect of developing country using an OS that is FREE... Not only free to start, is a big threat to the entire current paradigm of corporate-made computer software. Any kind of trend towards open source computer software is a trend towards the extinction of MS, and the software world as we know it today.

Let's say these countries are 25 years behind the 1st world countries technologically speaking (I'd say that's a conservative estimate) - 25 years down the line, these could be huge markets.

I'm no expert on Gates' non-profit work, but a lot of it seems to be geared towards making an investment in Microsoft's future. Look at how much money he puts into putting Microsoft Windows running computers into US libraries in poorer, rural or ghetto areas. It's an investment in a market that is bound to grow as computers expand into people's lives in new ways.
 
GFLPraxis said:
I'd much rather have a solar panel than a hand crank.

Someone needs to develop a cheap solar battery. Make the surface of the laptop absorb light, and just leave your laptop in the sun to charge. They already have a screen that's visible in direct sunlight anyway.

But the hand crank is brilliant for a cheap laptop.

Solar panels are, at best, about 15% efficient. And those would probably double the cost of the laptop; the cheap ones (7%) would still make the laptop cost quite a bit more than $100.

angelneo said:
Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime.
Light a fire for a man, he is warm for a day. Light a man on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life.
 
Anyone else think that aside from what Gates is saying, this whole program is flawed with this one statement:

MIT website said:
Our preliminary schedule is to have units ready for shipment by the end of 2006 or early 2007. Manufacturing will begin when 5 to 10 million machines have been ordered and paid for in advance

Having to stump up for 100,000 or 1,000,000 of these things pretty much rules out most developing nations. A few like Nigeria can do it, but any of the really poor countries haven't got a hope.
 
Quick side thought/wondering out loud moment, wouldn't it be cool if I or anyone could "donate" or "sponsor" a school, tribe, family, church group, community or person by donating $100 bucks and then being able to communicate with them? People could obviously submit themselves as anonymous on both sides so as to protect the people wanting a laptop and for the people who just want to donate for their own reasons. It would be kinda like an electronic pen pal. It would really allow people to embrace the positive things that technology has brought us. For once rather than people saying that computers and the internet are drawing people apart from interaction with others, people can say that the internet is truly connecting two people that most likely NEVER would have connected before. Imagine a forum or blog that would connect me or you to someone who has never seen a computer before or who doesn't understand what exactly the internet is, even imagine speaking to someone who has heard all about it and your speaking to them the first time they type a single word. The excitement on both sides of the monitor I think could really bring alot of people into making donations.

I know there are chat rooms, forums and the like but the opportunity to communicate with people from cultures I'll never visit or didn't even know existed is precisely something I'd like to gain with technology. At the current rate with computers, so much is just quicker with pretty pictures and "fun" programs. I think technology could really shine once everyone has access to it. I guess this is a rant of sorts and although I don't think the spread of the internet will cure any diseases(but who knows what will be the outcome? Online lectures and courses could extend education to anyone with one of these things), but I do think it is an avenue we should expand. The world wide web will not be complete in my opinion until every single person who wants to access it can.

With all of this reminiscing I remember the first time I accessed the internet. Me and my dad wondered if we could look at all the "screens"(we didn't know to call them pages) that were on the internet within a couple of weeks, ha. There were bulletin boards that I use to visit that had absolutely no bearing whatsoever into what I was into at the time yet I found myself engulfed in them.

Anyway as much as I love OS X and loath Microsoft, I think Linux is the best to be on these computers. These computers need to cut through the corporate crap and licensing of these operating systems and allow people to do the basic functions they want. I know Microsoft would have wanted a cut of the 100 for licensing windows and I know OS X was offered for free but I think open source without being limited to a certain OS would allow people to cut through some of the red tape we encounter for instance certain sites not loading, not running ilife 06, microsoft sucking in every way a operating system can suck.

Edit: I edited, because I did not edit, so therefore there may be editing mistakes from not editing.
 
iDM said:
Quick side thought/wondering out loud moment, wouldn't it be cool if I or anyone could "donate" or "sponsor" a school, tribe, family, church group, community or person by donating $100 bucks and then being able to communicate with them? People could obviously submit themselves as anonymous ...

It would be great if people could donate things like this. A specific problem with this program, however, is that only governments can buy the laptops, and they have to order hundreds of thousands of the things at a time.
 
AlBDamned said:
Anyone else think that aside from what Gates is saying, this whole program is flawed with this one statement:
<snip>
Having to stump up for 100,000 or 1,000,000 of these things pretty much rules out most developing nations. A few like Nigeria can do it, but any of the really poor countries haven't got a hope.

No. The minimum order is 1,000,000 units, as you say; but nothing stops several nations from making one big order (I think that was actually encouraged by Negroponte, but I'm not sure). The orders have to be that big because the low price is achieved by manufacturing in really big quantities and with custom parts designed to be cost-efficient, like the integrated chip and the screen (I mean, this has to be the first computer ever that has a first batch of 5-10 million units!).
 
Linkjeniero said:
No. The minimum order is 1,000,000 units, as you say; but nothing stops several nations from making one big order (I think that was actually encouraged by Negroponte, but I'm not sure). The orders have to be that big because the low price is achieved by manufacturing in really big quantities and with custom parts designed to be cost-efficient, like the integrated chip and the screen (I mean, this has to be the first computer ever that has a first batch of 5-10 million units!).

Exactly, so the minimum order is US$100,000,000. You could add up the poorest nations in Africa and they still couldn't come close to that amount to cover everything, let alone for laptops to give out for free. I do believe this is a major flaw of the program. Also, you have to question the reality of this program. I think they originally said the laptop would be out some time 2005/06. Now it's 2006 but "maybe" 2007...

While Gates' comments do sound pathetic/stupid/typical, my betting is they've been taken well out of context and he was probably dismissing the project as a whole. He's not the first person to do so. I've spoken to several ICT industry people that feel the figures MIT is working on are completely unworkable.
 
Josh said:
Because the statement is coming from a man (Gates) who gives MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars to charities and underprivalliged groups, I don't quite think that's what he is 'basically saying.'

Much of which was obtained illegally (even the courts agree). Do the ends justify the means?
 
Gates's vision is for an over engineered device, loaded with bloat, carrying features that the target users would never use...

Gates should really get a life and a perspective. He seems to lack just what these machines are for... and the target user.
 
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