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BitCoin, almost like real money, when you convert it to real money first. 😆
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Fiat currency (USD) is NOT real money, it lost that status a long time ago. Research the difference between real money and fiat currency. Hopefully then you’ll see the value Bitcoin.

This video will get you started:

 
And those of you that don't will continue to call for its death... and we know how well that'll work out for them in the end.
If you observe carefully you can already see that people have changed their judgment. In 2017 and before you often had comments like "It will go to zero and disappear." Today this type of comment is like "I hope it this will disappear soon."
So people are learning. Bitcoin just has to exist longer for them to realize that the chance it disappears are getting lower and lower.
 
I canned my BitPay card when they started applying hefty "inactivity fees" which chipped away nearly the whole (admittedly modest) balance I had on there. They can honestly go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
 
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Fiat currency (USD) is NOT real money, it lost that status a long time ago. Research the difference between real money and fiat currency. Hopefully then you’ll see the value Bitcoin.
The value of fiat currency comes from trust in the government that stands behind it. Who or what stands behind Bitcoin?

This video will get you started:

I wouldn't necessarily put my trust in a video on this topic by someone called "GoldSilver".
 
The value of fiat currency comes from trust in the government that stands behind it. Who or what stands behind Bitcoin?


I wouldn't necessarily put my trust in a video on this topic by someone called "GoldSilver".

In 2020, approximately 35% of all USD in existence was printed out of thin air. If you don’t believe that will have negative consequences down the road, you’re in for a major shock.

People put the value on commodities, and assets. Why is beachfront property worth more than swampland? Why is bluefin tuna worth more than mackerel? Why is platinum worth more than copper? Anything is only worth as much as the intrinsic value we place on it. Bitcoin is no different. When more and more fiat is being printed out of thin air, less and less Bitcoin is being dispersed therefore making it more rare.

Mike Maloney is a phenomenal resource for gold and silver, and has a best selling book. I’d highly recommend watching his entire series “Hidden Secrets of Money”, I linked above to Episode 4 and all of them are incredible. If you don’t trust listening to a dissenting voice against fiat currency, and our financial system — that’s on you.
 
What happens when the price of Bitcoin falls by 20% in one day in between when you buy something and when it arrives. Who is going to take the hit? Bitcoin is a gigantic scam and should be banned immediately.
 
In 2020, approximately 35% of all USD in existence was printed out of thin air.
So? It does not matter as long as people believe that the US government will service its debt. What stands behind it at the end of the day is the economic capacity of the national economy. I have a lot more trust in that than in yellow metal.
If you don’t believe that will have negative consequences down the road, you’re in for a major shock.
The gold bugs have been saying this for decades. Historically economic crises had much worse effects when the gold standard was still in place.
People put the value on commodities, and assets. Why is beachfront property worth more than swampland? Why is bluefin tuna worth more than mackerel? Why is platinum worth more than copper? Anything is only worth as much as the intrinsic value we place on it. Bitcoin is no different. When more and more fiat is being printed out of thin air, less and less Bitcoin is being dispersed therefore making it more rare.
The difference between those things and Bitcoin is that they actually have intrinsic value to people. You can live in a beachfront property. You can eat tuna. Metals have lots of industrial applications and in some cases aesthetic appeal. What can I do with Bitcoin if I can't find someone who is willing to give me something of real value for it?

I can generate a file with a bunch of random numbers and store it on my computer. Incredibly rare, since there exists only one copy of it. Does that mean it's worth something? Of course not. Rarity alone does not create value.

It's very well possible that Bitcoin will eventually be shut down, e.g. because it uses too much energy or due to regulatory action. What then? Nobody stands behind it with any guarantees.

Anyway, besides all the fundamental considerations the fact is that Bitcoin can be manipulated way too easily. One billionaire decides to invest some of his company's money, and it shoots up 400% ...
 


BitPay, which calls itself the world's largest provider of Bitcoin and cryptocurrency payment services, today announced that its BitPay Prepaid Mastercard is now compatible with Apple Pay for purchases in stores, in apps, and online. BitPay says support for Google Pay and Samsung Pay is planned by the end of the first quarter.

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U.S. cardholders can add the physical or virtual versions of the BitPay Prepaid Mastercard to Apple's Wallet app and start using it immediately.

With the BitPay Prepaid Mastercard, customers can instantly convert cryptocurrency into fiat currency, which is then loaded onto the card and can be spent anywhere Mastercard debit is accepted around the world. Customers can also use the card online for purchases and to withdraw cash from ATMs, according to BitPay.

To add the card to Apple's Wallet app, cardholders need to have the most recent version of the BitPay app, 12.1.0, which should be rolling out on the App Store today.

Article Link: Bitcoin Payment Provider BitPay Adds Apple Pay Support
But what about my collection of huge stone o-rings and shells? This world is moving too fast! Think I'll stick with binary numbers on a screen backed by green paper!
 
What happens when the price of Bitcoin falls by 20% in one day in between when you buy something and when it arrives. Who is going to take the hit? Bitcoin is a gigantic scam and should be banned immediately
So? It does not matter as long as people believe that the US government will service its debt. What stands behind it at the end of the day is the economic capacity of the national economy. I have a lot more trust in that than in yellow metal.

The gold bugs have been saying this for decades. Historically economic crises had much worse effects when the gold standard was still in place.

The difference between those things and Bitcoin is that they actually have intrinsic value to people. You can live in a beachfront property. You can eat tuna. Metals have lots of industrial applications and in some cases aesthetic appeal. What can I do with Bitcoin if I can't find someone who is willing to give me something of real value for it?

I can generate a file with a bunch of random numbers and store it on my computer. Incredibly rare, since there exists only one copy of it. Does that mean it's worth something? Of course not. Rarity alone does not create value.

It's very well possible that Bitcoin will eventually be shut down, e.g. because it uses too much energy or due to regulatory action. What then? Nobody stands behind it with any guarantees.

Anyway, besides all the fundamental considerations the fact is that Bitcoin can be manipulated way too easily. One billionaire decides to invest some of his company's money, and it shoots up 400% ...
How is this any different from stocks?,if a Billionaire invest in a company of course the stock will go up because Value was added to it. Things only have value because humans give it such, gold is a metal, diamonds are shiny pieces of Carbon, a $100 bill is a piece of paper. But put starving people in a room with all that and plates of food,what’s becomes valuable then? Things change and people find new ways of doing things,before gold was used as a means of payment there was coral and pearls and bartering. Forms of payment is a ever evolving thing and all it takes is for a group of people to believe it has value.
 
This product is useless due to current US tax law. A better idea would be to link the card to a line of credit secured by BTC, spending in that manner would not be a taxable event.
 
Guys. Im long time mac user. My first Mac was Powerbook 170. Just to see that im mac user long time ago. So im pretty much like you guys. Technically speaking of course.

I bought my first 100 USD worth of BTC at November 2017 on coinbase... in the heat of bull market. Didn't really know what im doing. Later on I bought book called Bitcoin Standard. Now I have 1 BTC.

Also i bought this year: M1 Air, AirpoMax, Homepod mini, Dyson 11 Extra pro... And lot of other stuff with crypto. Not even selling my BTC for that stuff.. but getting crypto on TRON blockchain and some little dapp you never heard of. You dont know what dapp is XD.

So guys.. buy book.. you will learn something that will blow your mind.

All you guys saying it is a fraud pyramid scheme, speculative etc... HAVE FUN STAYING POOR.

BITCOIN AND BLOCKCHAIN IS THE HUMAN GREATEST INVENTION. BIGGER THAN INTERNET.

Or maybe Elon is also stupid buying 1.5 B$ worth of BTC. Of course he isn't. There is 18.5m BTC in circulation right now. There will be only 21m Bitcoin. But to get to 21m it will take 100+ years guys. You see the catch? There can only be 21 m entities in the universe holding 1 BTC.

Dont listen to what they say. Look what they do.


BTW check out on price of BTC in the years to come.. now it is 50k$ give or take few K.

And im from stupid Croatia.
 
People put the value on commodities, and assets. Why is beachfront property worth more than swampland? Why is bluefin tuna worth more than mackerel? Why is platinum worth more than copper? Anything is only worth as much as the intrinsic value we place on it. Bitcoin is no different.
It's easy to show a general preference or rarity where one thing ends up being objectively better than the other; in generalised cases. Like mosquitoes being a bigger problem in a swampy area, platinum being harder to get than copper; and so on.

But at the end of the day you do have your property, material, or food, no matter if its monetary value has changed.

That makes bitcoin VERY different.

Bitcoin is basically just a kind of democratically agreed upon digitally signed contract stating that you are the current owner of a part of a single solution to a range of mathematical problems.

At best bitcoin is a social construct with a very artificial rarity; and if that idea of rarity/want dissipates, then you're left with about as much as a crazy person standing on the street yelling that they own the letter A would have.

Once again, VERY different than something that we can prove has an objective value/use even when without a tradable value.

Bitcoin also have several risks that potentially could burst its value completely; including technological, human-based (who controls what, the small amounts of bitcoins actually traded, and so on), as well as that it relies on an expected value outside of the circle of devotees.

Right now the business aspect of bitcoin basically is all about skimming real-world money from those putting real-world money into getting in on bitcoin; and those people generally don't see that loss due to the on-paper increase of value of bitcoins.

From that aspect bitcoin is a very interesting hybrid of a pyramid scheme and a bubble.

Just look at the value from the fact that a single tweet from just the right person is able to make the value of bitcoin jump 20%; and now consider what would happen if instead someone were to try to cash out US$1.5B from bitcoin.

Now consider a financial downturn, perhaps fuelled by either an extended or a new pandemic; making people want that swampy house, with a copper roof and mackerel dinner, to downsize/survive. So they start cashing out their on-paper gains.

And we haven't even started on the potential, theoretical, breakthroughs that essentially could make the underlying maths supporting blockchain/bitcoin lose their unique properties.

Personally I'd love to see what would happen with the market (ie people) if Alphabet (ie Google) for the lolz put all their available computational power (including client-devices, so people using google.com etc) towards for a bit working on some existing cryptocurrency. Just as a proof-of-concept for what could happen if a computational giant (like NSA, for those that like to think like that) did a dedicated "attack" against decentralised currencies.
 
What happens when the price of Bitcoin falls by 20% in one day in between when you buy something and when it arrives.
That's no different than if you buy something in a currency other than your primary one.

Large enough deals in different currencies are often insured by businesses that can't handle that swing themselves.
 
If it helps them spend and divest from this earth killing nazi funding pyramid scam then good.

But the press release is a bit misleading. This company has a MasterCard and it is that which can be added to iPhone Wallet app just like any other MasterCard.
 
Ahem. So you basically went out of your way to create an account just to cry out about wanting to be left alone with what you're doing; did I get that right? That doesn't sound particularly easy of you.
If I could i would tip you a dogecoin like they do on Reddit to congratulate you for your stupid comment that doesnt add nothing to the discussion. If you have nothing good to say just shut up man. I can open accounts wherever I want for the reason I want. Sheps will always be sheeps.....
 
Yes, but in late 2017 is was ~20,000 and a few months later it had dropped to ~3,500 and didn't recover until it started spiking again a few weeks ago. It's fine if you want to speculate, but be aware that it is highly speculative.
Thats why I said that it's not a currency, it's an investment and store of value. I think people just read what they want to read just because they don't agree. For me crypto is a way to make money like the stock market or so many other investments. Relating fiat currency I think we are being screwed for a long time and need an alternative. Bitcoin is not that though. But another coin in the space could be the one.
 
How is this any different from stocks?,if a Billionaire invest in a company of course the stock will go up because Value was added to it.
The difference is that by buying stocks, you own a piece of something (people, production assets, intellectual property) that creates economic value. You also have voting rights and may receive a dividend.
 
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Fiat currency (USD) is NOT real money, it lost that status a long time ago. Research the difference between real money and fiat currency. Hopefully then you’ll see the value Bitcoin.

This video will get you started:

exactly. Its made up monopoly money that has never worked before and they all do fail. People are losing trust in the dollar. How can we trust anything that can be printed into oblivion. Just a matter of time before things change.
 
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The difference is that by buying stocks, you own a piece of something (people, production assets, intellectual property) that creates economic value. You also have voting rights and may receive a dividend.
Do you remember that artist that taped a banana to the wall and sold it for 120.000 dollars?
What value has that? It has value because its worth something to someone. Bitcoin for me also has value. Each time I buy it, after some time, I'm financially richer. That adds value to my wallet. How many financial products and practices are completely unethical and based in speculation? Wall street for example its a million times worst than BTC. Hedge funds sent entire companies to the ground just for profit and there are people here saying that BTC can be manipulated by quantic computers and someone taking control of 51% of the network. Our world is already manipulated and you guys don't have a problem with it right? At least crypto has a beautiful and important technologie behind it that can be used for lots of things and it's changing the world. Imagine if it had value.......
 
Until you're not. This talk reminds me of the Dotcom bubble 20 years ago ...
For sure mate, anything can end, but this is a 12 year old bubble already, so it gives me a bit more confidence for the future. And now, that much more "conventional" institutions and companies are opening to this market, it's natural that people that use it getting more exited.
But I totally understand people that are afraid of the potencial risk of it. It always happen with new trends.
 
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