krossfyter said:look all im saying is that i value progressive art. and most of the time progressive art is being kicked in the ass by our capitalist system because the system wants whats been done before.. what people know... what people are used to. thats all. no im not advocating for any system to be the best for art... i dont know what system it would be. true... capatalism has helped art but it also has hurt it.
i think you think im some commie or something which im not. all i am is a person who values progressive art over novel art. and i want the system to be better tuned to accepting it. not sure how it would do that... not sure if thats possible. i think you are misunderstanding me. i mean how many times can i say "thats my opinion and i respect yours" and keep on getting sh*t for having an opinion. im not sure what you are trying to do but i really dont feel you are respecting my opinion because you keep trying to find fault with it (which is worthless) or knocking it.
i can do the same to you with your opinion but i choose not to because its pointless... who am i to change your mind? you have yours, let me have mind. lets agree to disagree and let it go. nothing is accomplished other then a circular argument that needs sleep.
so in the end I say rollingstone should hang it up. thats my opinion and no ones allowed to change it.
your opinion is U2 sux ass now and no ones allowed to change that but you.
notice how am not taking issue with your opinion like you are with mine. whos respecting who?
From your earlier statements I was led to believe that you thought all art and artists should be progressive. I realize now that such a blanket statement was not your intent but that YOU prefer progressive art. There's a huge difference and it's easy on forums to misunderstand and incompletely state one's opinion.
I didn't make any implications regarding your political position other than stating that there is no ideal -ism regarding the creation of art. Every system has its upside and downside. Communism was unique in its support of the arts and in the early years some amazing things were produced. I think a person would be hard pressed to find any communist art of any lasting value produced after say the 50s. Socialism while it promotes art heavily seems to in my mind at least, to promote a certain blandness which in all honesty could be more a product of the homogenous societies it is produced in. Capitalism also promotes art but more for its monetary rewards. My guess is that when you combine all the isms together you get a fairly progressive world of art. No one system will ever be ideal and while capitalism has made many artists mediocre it has also allowed many artists to continue on beyond what they might have achieved in other systems.
I respect your opinion but I hate blanket statements that aren't backed up with facts. I'm glad that you hung in there so that this discussion could go as far as it has. BTW, I never said that U2 sux, I'm just not very fond of their current incarnation. Who knows, in a couple of years I may change my mind. Opinions should never be set in stone.