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Well, I guess Microsoft and Apple will just pick up the parts they want cheaper from the receivers in a year or so then.
For a company on the edge, BlackBerry seem awfully picky about what and to whom they'll sell...

I doubt they're even waiting that long. This maybe explains the impetus behind Apple's job fair in Waterloo last month. If you can't get a buyout deal, just take the employees.
 
Those who are saying they are dead, apparently don't remember the dark days at apple. One or two great products and they are back in the game. They just have to innovate. However, easier said than done.

A strong blackberry is good for competition/the consumer.
 
Then why did Apple, Microsoft and Google all offer to buy only parts of the company? Apple could have bought the entire company and then sold off the parts it has no use for and made money. They didn't so I suspect you are wrong. The parts are not worth more or someone would be acted on that already.

You and I didn't read the same article. Either that or we got a completely different understanding of what we read. What I read? The valuable parts (IP and patents) is what other companies were interested in acquiring. No one wanted the other parts.

Contrary to what I bolded from your comment, the parts are exactly what everyone found valuable; not the whole. As for Apple buying the whole company and selling what they don't want... why do you assume they could make money from that? If it's not valuable Apple can't sell those parts for a premium. Well, if they put one of these :apple: on the parts they might:D

Value is ultimately determined by the purchaser. IP and patents are what Blackberry has to offer.
 
BlackBerry had a real window to remain a power player in the smart phone world if they had developed a custom version of Android designed to add classic Blackberry features to a keyboard equipped Android device. Had that been released within the first year of Android's launch, Blackberry would have remained the top device for its segment.

Like what? The core blackberry services were replicated by its competitors. What specifically does blackberry have that iOS/Android doesn't?
 
This is just another example of a company that didn't take Apple seriously enough when they unveiled the iPhone back in 2007, because the powers that were at the time didn't think that they (Apple) could break in to the market. Just goes to show you, you snooze, you loose.

Kinda. You have to go back to MacWorld and remember what Steve Jobs said, 'iPhone runs OS X, why do we want to put such a sophisticated system on a phone... because it has everything we need...' The problem with Rimm was that they basically takd on AOL IM and email onto a dumbphone. Apple put a computer into your phone. They were outclassed and they didn't have the engineers or experience to compete. I'm with this guy. Rimm needed to have adapted Android at the get-go like every other cell phone manufacture that didn't have an operating system development department.

BlackBerry had a real window to remain a power player in the smart phone world if they had developed a custom version of Android designed to add classic Blackberry features to a keyboard equipped Android device. Had that been released within the first year of Android's launch, Blackberry would have remained the top device for its segment.
 
Those who are saying they are dead, apparently don't remember the dark days at apple. One or two great products and they are back in the game. They just have to innovate. However, easier said than done.

A strong blackberry is good for competition/the consumer.

I'd argue a strong windows mobile to counter android would be good for consumers. Currently at the low to mid-range of the smartphone market Android is essentially the only player.
 
There is a scene in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly that is apropos here. I wish there was a capture of it on YouTube - it's only about 5 seconds long.

Lee Van Cleef's character ("Angel Eyes") is being berated by a prisoner-of-war camp commandant who is dying of gangrene or something like that.

The commandant gathers up seemingly every fiber of strength he has and stands up (sort of) and says, "I pray I can manage to have enough time to amass evidence and bring to a court-martial all those who discredit and dishonor the uniform of the Union!"

Lee Van Cleef gives a derisive snort and says, "I wish you luck." He then turns and walks away.

And that could be Tim Cook and Thorsten Heins (or whoever it is now).
 
You really are serious, aren't you?

I have heard of both, which based on market acceptance places me in a super small subset.

Where have you been that you think they still have viable offerings?
(Aside from patents)

Where I've been, is using them. Have you? They're absolutely fantastic. BB's real problem is getting people to give them another shot; if they could achieve that, I don't doubt they could get back into the game as a major player.
 
So I suppose you've never heard of BB OS 10 or their almost entirely new hardware lineup?

We've heard of them. His point was again, they've come out with nothing SUCCESSFUL or game changing.

That's why they are about to be out of business and broke.
 
We've heard of them. His point was again, they've come out with nothing SUCCESSFUL or game changing.

That's why they are about to be out of business and broke.

My comment was directed at his statement that they didn't even have a plan, when obviously they are trying.
 
Blackberry is dying. Would hate to work for that company. Nails are going into the coffin.
 
Where I've been, is using them. Have you? They're absolutely fantastic. BB's real problem is getting people to give them another shot; if they could achieve that, I don't doubt they could get back into the game as a major player.

And if frogs could fly....

Sorry, maybe not too little, but certainly too late.

I'm not blaming the product itself -- the management, leadership, and execution have been atrocious.
 
So I suppose you've never heard of BB OS 10 or their almost entirely new hardware lineup?


I've heard of them yes...I've played with their newer devices. They still don't compare to Android or iOS devices.

The facts speak for themselves, and my point still stands. Blackberry have been doomed to fail since the iPhone came out, and the only thing that would have stopped that, would have been them using their existing customer base to build an ecosystem. They could have quite easily gone down the path of building an ecosystem before iOS got a chance to really take off but they didn't.

They deserve to fail at this point, there's no chance in hell they'll be around in 10 years tine in their current form - it'd take a buyout, and a complete restructuring. Even then they're bleeding marketshare like crazy, so must be getting low on cash too.

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Where I've been, is using them. Have you? They're absolutely fantastic. BB's real problem is getting people to give them another shot; if they could achieve that, I don't doubt they could get back into the game as a major player.

Remember WebOS and the HP Touchpad? That was an amazing OS and I still maintain it was/is miles better than iOS.

The same problem happened there (combined with a moron for a CEO) - no ecosystem = no developers = no apps = no incentive to but = no sales = no money to advertise = dead product.

If these companies had any sense they'd write off a $1bn, and use that to:

A) let developers get 100% of the sales for, say the first 18 months
B) pay high-profile developers to create exclusives
C) Get contracts in place with 3rd parties for the ecosystem (e.g record labels, film studios, etc).
D) Promote the crap out of it, world wide - without crappy marketing gimmicks like Microsoft attempted. Just simple "this is our product - did you know its got this" style ads.
 
Interestjng thread over on the main Blackberry fan site that Google may be giving Blackberry full access to the Play store. If that pans out it would alleviate one major drawback, no apps
 
BB10 is great.

I wouldn't have bought a Mac if OSX had not been coming out.

Similarly for my Z10.
 
This is just another example of a company that didn't take Apple seriously enough when they unveiled the iPhone back in 2007, because the powers that were at the time didn't think that they (Apple) could break in to the market. Just goes to show you, you snooze, you loose.

Back in 2007, was it an executive at Blackberry who said something along the lines of " . . . We've been trying to figure it (phone) for years, and a computer company thinks they can solve it overnight"?
 
They were blocked from selling the company to Lenovo by the Canadian government and refused to sell pieces and parts to other major players. Sooo....where to from here?
 
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