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You all realize that BB is in the exact same position Apple was in the 1990s? Why not showing a little decency and support? It's quite interesting to see Apple users being so heartless. They're not Google or Android, after all.

Similar, but not exact. Apple required a radical restructuring from the board on down, a drastic reduction in the products they were trying to sell, and a totally new direction, in order to survive. Apple pulled off this hat trick, but it's rare when it happens. The mess at Blackberry calls the same recipe, but without the right leadership, total commitment, and enough cash, they aren't going to pull an Apple and go from grave to cradle.
 
Love my Z 10

While I am a hard core Mac computer guy and I appreciate the iPhone and iPad for what they are they never suited my needs. My Z10 does and I love it. It has all the apps I need and does things with email and messaging and documents and attachments that I would only expect a computer to do. I am in no way bashing the IPhone and IPad. It just didn't suit my needs, was to small and the battery was not removable. The Z 10 and now Z30 are really good phones. Not for everybody but I couldn't see using anything else.
 
Similar, but not exact. Apple required a radical restructuring from the board on down, a drastic reduction in the products they were trying to sell, and a totally new direction, in order to survive. Apple pulled off this hat trick, but it's rare when it happens. The mess at Blackberry calls the same recipe, but without the right leadership, total commitment, and enough cash, they aren't going to pull an Apple and go from grave to cradle.

You are absolutely correct that great leadership and commitment is needed for BB to come back, but it is hard for an outsider to tell whether they have the leadership and commitment at this moment; you only know it when you look back - in 1998 how many of us expected Apple to have such a strong comeback? I am an Apple fan as you are, just trying not to be blinded by my obsession.
 
BlackBerry Ltd's board does not believe a break-up of the Canadian smartphone maker is currently in its best interests, even though Microsoft Corp, Apple Inc and Lenovo Group Ltd, among others, have expressed interest in acquiring parts of the company, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Microsoft Corp, Apple Inc and Lenovo Group Ltd: "Hey, BlackBerry, we want to buy your patents."

BlackBerry board: "No thanks. We're going to prolong our death spiral just a little."

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Similar, but not exact. Apple required a radical restructuring from the board on down, a drastic reduction in the products they were trying to sell, and a totally new direction, in order to survive. Apple pulled off this hat trick, but it's rare when it happens. The mess at Blackberry calls the same recipe, but without the right leadership, total commitment, and enough cash, they aren't going to pull an Apple and go from grave to cradle.

BlackBerry already went in a totally new direction (e.g. PlayBook, BB10, yadda.)
The world didn't follow them.
 
I love my Mac, but gave away the iPhone when the Z10 came. Such a great os. You guys should give it a try.
 
Remember this gem?

......BlackBerry CEO Thorsten Heins believes that Apple is losing the smartphone innovation game. As a result, he believes that Cupertino’s time at the top is nearing an end...
According to Heins, "History repeats itself again I guess … the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don’t innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old."
 
Enjoy the graveyard with Blockbuster. Another company that rested on their laurels thinking no one could beat them.

But Blockbuster was better than Netflix, just late to the party :(
I mean, they also copied Netflix totally, but they made it better by allowing customers to receive/return DVDs at their stores.
 
You are absolutely correct that great leadership and commitment is needed for BB to come back, but it is hard for an outsider to tell whether they have the leadership and commitment at this moment; you only know it when you look back - in 1998 how many of us expected Apple to have such a strong comeback? I am an Apple fan as you are, just trying not to be blinded by my obsession.

I agree it's difficult to tell, especially for an outsider, but my point is successful turnaround stories are quite rare. Apple is one of the greatest turnaround stories in business history. FWIW, I placed my bet on Apple in 1997, when Steve returned. Not that I was predicting what happened. At the time I was wagering only that the downside risk was pretty small. The same might be true for BlackBerry today, though I don't think I will bet on it. I don't expect to get that lucky twice.

BlackBerry already went in a totally new direction (e.g. PlayBook, BB10, yadda.)
The world didn't follow them.

A new direction that people care about, obviously.
 
Remember this gem?

......BlackBerry CEO Thorsten Heins believes that Apple is losing the smartphone innovation game. As a result, he believes that Cupertino’s time at the top is nearing an end...
According to Heins, "History repeats itself again I guess … the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don’t innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old."

This quote is why I was slightly rooting for BB to die. The CEO is so full of BS. Not nearly bas bad as Google, since they don't steal ideas and... make Google+.

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You all realize that BB is in the exact same position Apple was in the 1990s? Why not showing a little decency and support?

Wrong. Apple had their exiled cofounder Steve Jobs who would come back. They probably would have died without him. BB doesn't have anyone like that.
 
I do not believe BB wil not exist in its current form a year or so from now, but it will be interesting to see what actually happens with this once-dominant player...
 
Does anybody know what BB's patents are for? (Edit: As far as I can tell, the link doesn't actually say, aside from the fact that Apple and Google have amassed some themselves as well.) In any case, seems to me like those are probably the company's most valuable assets right now. Wonder what the reasoning is for turning these offers down, unless they think they stand a chance in the hardware (and software) realm again.




Because it's a headline and function words are often omitted to save space? Just like the word "the," which was also omitted ("the company"). This is fairly standard.

I think their patents are for that cool feature where you swipe up for multitasking pane of live panels…..kinda like Meego OS Harmattan (Nokia N9)

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on another note, i'd love to pick up a new Z10 at a huge discounted price…you think they'll have firesale if i wait a bit?
 
Hasn't experience with Apple taught us that we should all go buy Blackberry stock, right now!??

When it hits $1000 a share in 10 years, we'll all be rich!
 
Not sure why many people on here want blackberry to go away.

Its not like you will gain anything personally from less competition. if anything we will all lose in the long run if there is less competition and thus higher prices and less innovation.

people need to look past their own fanboyism and look at the bigger picture.
 
BlackBerry's latest phone, the Z10

The Z10 isn't BlackBerry's latest phone - in fact, it was their first BB10 phone. The company released 3 phones AFTER the Z10 this year - The Q10, Q5 and Z30. How can we take anything you say seriously if you can't even do basic fact checking?

BBOS 10 is great - I urge everyone to give it a try. I think anyone who gives it a serious look (i.e. does more than play with it for 30 seconds in the store, and proclaim it sucks because it doesn't have Instagram) will really like it. The app situation isn't as great as Apple, but the OS itself and the phones are really, really good.
 
I think their patents are for that cool feature where you swipe up for multitasking pane of live panels…..kinda like Meego OS Harmattan (Nokia N9)

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on another note, i'd love to pick up a new Z10 at a huge discounted price…you think they'll have firesale if i wait a bit?
Actually their most valuable assets are QNX which opens a lot of doors to different markets and their Enterprise Server Service
 
To be fair ...

The Blackberry Z10 (and sequels) were products with some innovative ideas. The weak sales are mostly due to poor perception of the brand itself at this point, combined with a hesitation for businesses to change direction again (after many abandoned the Blackberry platform just a couple years ago).

I know my workplace is in the later situation. Our I.T. staff took a good look at the Z10 and were impressed by such features as the "personal" and "business" profiles that could co-exist on the device. (It was a great concept allowing employees to install whatever they liked on the "personal" side, but the phone effectively firewalling that content off from the corporate approved side.)

But we JUST completed a total elimination of Blackberry products from the corporation, issuing everyone iPhones or Android phones and setting up MDM to manage the devices, etc. It would have been REALLY difficult to explain to the CEO why we suddenly wanted to "go back to Blackberry" after getting the budget approval to move away from it!

Plus, there's the overall lack of confidence that they'll be around for the next few years. What happens if they go under and the central messaging servers are taken offline? We'd rather not be stuck in a situation where everyone's in "panic mode" needing to switch phones ASAP.

I can respect the owners of the business for wanting to try to make a comeback instead of just selling out -- but it's probably best it throws in the towel.
 
Good chunks of the company are a huge liability. How do you sell a liability?

Carefully... just ask all the banks that sold mortgage-backed securities, especially collateralized mortgage obligations and collateralized debt obligation yet survived the banking crisis.

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If they were merged into, say, Lenovo, it could be interesting.
On their own I feel pretty confident that they won't make it. It will be painful to watch.

Your avatar reminds me of a tesseract, but circular.
 
On BlackBerry's marketing.

It's just marketing. Of course they never really believed Apple products were toys built by amateurs; quite the opposite - they were totally taken aback and impressed, just as everybody else was.

Mike Lazaridis was at home on his treadmill and watching television when he first saw the Apple iPhone in early 2007. There were a few things he didn’t understand about the product. So, that summer, he pried one open to look inside and was shocked. It was like Apple had stuffed a Mac computer into a cellphone, he thought.

To Mr. Lazaridis, a life-long tinkerer who had built an oscilloscope and computer while in high school, the iPhone was a device that broke all the rules. The operating system alone took up 700 megabytes of memory, and the device used two processors. The entire BlackBerry ran on one processor and used 32 MB. Unlike the BlackBerry, the iPhone had a fully Internet-capable browser. That meant it would strain the networks of wireless companies like AT&T Inc., something those carriers hadn’t previously allowed. RIM by contrast used a rudimentary browser that limited data usage.

“I said, ‘How did they get AT&T to allow [that]?’ Mr. Lazaridis recalled in the interview at his Waterloo office. “ ‘It’s going to collapse the network.’ And in fact, some time later it did.”

Publicly, Mr. Lazaridis and Mr. Balsillie belittled the iPhone and its shortcomings, including its short battery life, weaker security and initial lack of e-mail. That earned them a reputation for being cocky and, eventually, out of touch. “That’s marketing,” Mr. Lazaridis explained. “You position your strengths against their weaknesses.”

Internally, he had a very different message. “If that thing catches on, we’re competing with a Mac, not a Nokia,” he recalled telling his staff.

Source: How BlackBerry blew it: The inside story

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Don't blame BlackBerry though, almost everybody does it:

In the reception area a polite and intelligent gentleman was waiting for me. We went down to a conference room.

The manager started to brief me on the backgrounds of Nokia’s strategy. The idea was that people are different, and therefore, they need different kinds of telephones.
I became agitated: “The kind of person who wants to use a bad telephone does not exist”, I said.

This sparked an argument. I explained in different ways how dreadful my new telephone was, and the manager spoke in its defence.

All of a sudden he went silent. He looked directly in my eyes and said: “This conversation is in confidence, isn’t it?”

I assured him that it was.

He continued:

“I agree completely with everything that you wrote in your letter and with what you have said now.”

I was astounded.

Source: This is how a Helsingin Sanomat journalist tried to save Nokia
 
The Z10 isn't BlackBerry's latest phone - in fact, it was their first BB10 phone. The company released 3 phones AFTER the Z10 this year - The Q10, Q5 and Z30. How can we take anything you say seriously if you can't even do basic fact checking?

BBOS 10 is great - I urge everyone to give it a try. I think anyone who gives it a serious look (i.e. does more than play with it for 30 seconds in the store, and proclaim it sucks because it doesn't have Instagram) will really like it. The app situation isn't as great as Apple, but the OS itself and the phones are really, really good.

Saying the app situation isn't as great as Apple is an understatement. The App situation is a freaking wasteland. And this is kind of shocking since an HTML web app should basically work on any phone.

But yes the OS is solid and has some very nice user interface features. I use my Q10 about as much as my iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 with iOS 7 looks fantastic. But Q10 does a number of the basic functions a bit or even a lot better. If websites would just recognize that I'm accessing their site from a mobile device more often that would help a lot. That is the most frustrating thing when the websites send my phone the site optimized for a desktop instead of a phone. The text gets really small and stuff is hard to read.
 
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