Blacklight bleed - is this normal for RMBP's?

shadow82x

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I have the highend (late 2013) RMBP 15". I've also owned the 2012 retina macbook pro. Both of these seem to have the same kind of blacklight bleeding. It's very noticeable on the lower lefthand side and slightly visible on the other corners. Do most of these screens suffer from backlight bleeding? My 2012 screen was a Samsung and this one is an LG, so it was an issue with both.

Edit - The photos make it look like the screen is discolored but it really isn't. It's just the bleeding in at the corners you really notice.
 

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l.a.rossmann

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Most laptop screens in general have these issues. If you look closely enough, you'll find it in most of them.

You have two choices.

a) Enjoy the kickass computer.

b) See it as nothing but backlight bleed with a computer attached to it, and drive yourself crazy focusing on it.

I strongly recommend A.
 

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Do you notice this issue under normal working and lighting conditions? If not then enjoy the computer. If its really noticeable and distracting then take it back for service or replacement.
 

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Most laptop screens in general have these issues. If you look closely enough, you'll find it in most of them.

You have two choices.

a) Enjoy the kickass computer.

b) See it as nothing but backlight bleed with a computer attached to it, and drive yourself crazy focusing on it.

I strongly recommend A.
I also recommend A even though i dont see this on my rmbp 13"
 

shadow82x

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The only time I really notice it is in the loading screen on some video games and the movies with black letter boxing. I only notice it on the one lower left hand corner too. I think ill take a look in the store today and if I see their model has black light bleeding, if so ill say screw it and keep mine. :p
 
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N3ILA

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I'm still curious if anyone else can post pics of their backlight bleed though :)
I was told by someone in Apples Customer Relations Department two days ago that she couldn't see the difference between the two images below. :eek: :rolleyes: :apple: she also told me earlier she wasn't technical and had no idea what I was talking about. I thought maybe I was transferred back to tier 1 thats how bad it was, lol. Best thing to do is call apple again and talk to someone else. Applecare lottery.


 
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shadow82x

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I was told by someone in Apples Customer Relations Department two days ago that she couldn't see the difference between the two images below. :eek: :rolleyes: :apple: she also told me earlier she wasn't technical and had no idea what I was talking about. I thought maybe I was transferred back to tier 1 thats how bad it was, lol. Best thing to do is call apple again and talk to someone else. Applecare lottery.

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Interesting..Looks like its not Samsung or LG specific since I've had it on 2 screens.

My fear is I'm going to go into the store, complain about the bleeding, and I'll get a new one with a new issue on it. Such as yellow tinting, or dead pixels. But maybe it will be worth it?
 

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N3ILA

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Interesting..Looks like its not Samsung or LG specific since I've had it on 2 screens.

My fear is I'm going to go into the store, complain about the bleeding, and I'll get a new one with a new issue on it. Such as yellow tinting, or dead pixels. But maybe it will be worth it?
From http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

The Retina display reduces glare while maintaining incredible color and quality. Its high contrast ratio results in blacker blacks and whiter whites. And everything in between is rich and vibrant. IPS technology gives you a wide, 178-degree view of everything on the screen, so you’ll see the difference at practically any angle. And you’re going to love what you see.

Do you love what you see?

MacBook Pro with Retina display is the result of an obsessive focus on detail. Apple designers and engineers worked closely together to craft every single piece that went into making it — the fans, the vents, the speakers, the noise-reducing microphones, the screws, even the machining of the thumbscoop. Everything was considered, and nothing overlooked. Because when a notebook becomes this advanced, every nanometer counts.

Do you feel like you received what was advertised?

I will say, that when I had the bleeding on the samsung panel I could easily manipulate the level of bleed using my hand to apply slight pressure on the aluminum behind the panel. I took pics at the time to so I could show applecare. I took a normal pic of all four corners then a pic of me correcting it and another for making it worse. I think a part of what's happening is that the aluminum behind the display panel isn't flat and the two were't properly bonded together in the right way.

The lg display I have now feels nice, solid and thinner. Where as the samsung display clamshell the aluminum felt spongy. I also can't manipulate the bleed with my hand on the lg clamshell I have now like I could with the samsung.



 

shadow82x

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From http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

The Retina display reduces glare while maintaining incredible color and quality. Its high contrast ratio results in blacker blacks and whiter whites. And everything in between is rich and vibrant. IPS technology gives you a wide, 178-degree view of everything on the screen, so you’ll see the difference at practically any angle. And you’re going to love what you see.

Do you love what you see?

MacBook Pro with Retina display is the result of an obsessive focus on detail. Apple designers and engineers worked closely together to craft every single piece that went into making it — the fans, the vents, the speakers, the noise-reducing microphones, the screws, even the machining of the thumbscoop. Everything was considered, and nothing overlooked. Because when a notebook becomes this advanced, every nanometer counts.

Do you feel like you received what was advertised?

I will say, that when I had the bleeding on the samsung panel I could easily manipulate the level of bleed using my hand to apply slight pressure on the aluminum behind the panel. I took pics at the time to so I could show applecare. I took a normal pic of all four corners then a pic of me correcting it and another for making it worse. I think a part of what's happening is that the aluminum behind the display panel isn't flat and the two were't properly bonded together in the right way.

The lg display I have now feels nice, solid and thinner. Where as the samsung display clamshell the aluminum felt spongy. I also can't manipulate the bleed with my hand on the lg clamshell I have now like I could with the samsung.

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So the screen in those photos were from a Samsung screen? I can also fix the bleeding with my hands too which is annoying. I'm still very curious to know why there is a tint of different colors in my photos too. D:
 

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I have had this issue with just about every monitor I've used, Dell, HP, Samsung, etc.

As it's said above, it's just something that you learn to accept as it's not a huge deal unless you're in a rather dark scene in a movie or something.
 

shadow82x

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I have had this issue with just about every monitor I've used, Dell, HP, Samsung, etc.

As it's said above, it's just something that you learn to accept as it's not a huge deal unless you're in a rather dark scene in a movie or something.
I'm in college and movie watching is unfortunately a big thing I do. And while its not completely noticeable to the average person, I do notice it myself personally.
 

trewyn15

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I'm in college and movie watching is unfortunately a big thing I do. And while its not completely noticeable to the average person, I do notice it myself personally.
I understand you there completely! Being a Senior now, I've had 3.5 full years of watching movies in my downtime as I wasn't one to go out and party and such.

I do still notice it, as I'm picky about those kind of things, but I have also learned to just let it go for the time being haha
 

N3ILA

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Also the MacBook Pros screen ratio is 16:10. So there will always be black bars when watching movies. It also doesn't help that the retina display has a pitch black half of an inch border which really makes backlight bleed standout.

Also knowing if you apply just a little pressure in a certain area it's fixed. Which can make the whole situation worse.

When I had a Samsung lcd tvs 6 months ago they had me set the backlight to a certain level i think it was backlight 4 where 0 was off and 20 max. Since the backlight bleed was noticeable at 4 or lower Samsung said it wasn't normal and issued me a refund.

Pic of the samsung panel on mackbook pro retina late 2013 before I received the current one with an lg panel

 

N3ILA

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So the screen in those photos were from a Samsung screen? I can also fix the bleeding with my hands too which is annoying. I'm still very curious to know why there is a tint of different colors in my photos too. D:
Yes, they where from a samsung screen. Also I wanted to note that the pics of the samsung and lg panel pictures which I took in the dark both had the brightness at max. Both LG and Samsung panels can and do have issues some the same some different.

With all the issues between apple and samsung, I find it hard to believe that samsung would supply apple with quality displays. Would any of you give one of your top competitors batches of high quality display panels or would you give them the rejects and or the lowest quality that passes manufacture specifications?

Tint of different color in your photos? Does the tint change if you move the photo to different areas of the display? If so here's two examples below of my current late 2013 15' rmbp with an LG panel.

Uniformity test using an x-rite i1display pro colorimeter.



On the second image I took three separate tests. I measured the left side in each square than the center followed by the right and combined them into one.



How LEDs Produce White Light which I posted in the thread, "Yellow tint on Haswell rMBP 15"
Which also explains why there have been issues across multiple apple devices that use wLEDs. I understand not everyone has had issues while others have and multiple times. Issues such as backlight bleed should've been fixed a longtime ago by at least someone, but it seems 1mm thinner is always more important. Bells and whistles my friends bells and whistles
 
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shadow82x

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So I ignored everyone's advise and went into the apple store today to compare my device. There is (as expected) a tiny bit of backlight bleeding on their displays but it wasn't as bad as the one I had. I also compared the colors and it turns out the in-store display was showing the whites a lot whiter than my device.

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It wasn't a night and day difference but you could definitely tell.


So I exchanged it. Got the same model screen in my new one but oddly the whites seem a bit whiter in it which I'm pleased about. Also the backlight bleeding isn't as noticable as my last device. Enough so that it isn't bothering me in movies and such now, so I'm happy. :)
 

l.a.rossmann

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Why is there colors of the rainbow? It looks pretty bad.

Because it's a picture of a screen.

This is like rating the quality of an audio system by holding your cellphone to the speaker to demonstrate how a hi-fi sounds.

It is a completely useless method of judging quality.
 

shadow82x

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Because it's a picture of a screen.

This is like rating the quality of an audio system by holding your cellphone to the speaker to demonstrate how a hi-fi sounds.

It is a completely useless method of judging quality.
I find it odd that the colors do come out like that though. There must be some tint of that color and it must emphasize it greatly with the bad quality photo. :p

Ive seen it on 2 screens of mine so I dont think its an issue.
 

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I find it odd that the colors do come out like that though. There must be some tint of that color and it must emphasize it greatly with the bad quality photo. :p

Ive seen it on 2 screens of mine so I dont think its an issue.
Possible, but not likely. Camera sensors do crazy things at that low of light, anything less than a full frame DSLR is likely to show lots of noise/discoloration. Auto white balance can kill these pictures too.
 

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I find it odd that the colors do come out like that though. There must be some tint of that color and it must emphasize it greatly with the bad quality photo. :p

Ive seen it on 2 screens of mine so I dont think its an issue.
how long have you owned your rmbp?
 

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It's common on cheap eIPS displays, but it shouldn't be a problem on a $2,000+ machine or professional quality monitors.

My Asus PB278Q and NEC EA223WM both have 0% backlight bleed. My first late 2013 rMBP had severe backlight bleed visible on dark and black images in a lit room. I requested a repair, and they eventually gave me a new machine.

This second one is pure black through the entire display. This is what I expect from a machine that cost as much as this one did ($2,599 before student discount).
 

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It's common on cheap eIPS displays, but it shouldn't be a problem on a $2,000+ machine or professional quality monitors.

My Asus PB278Q and NEC EA223WM both have 0% backlight bleed. My first late 2013 rMBP had severe backlight bleed visible on dark and black images in a lit room. I requested a repair, and they eventually gave me a new machine.

This second one is pure black through the entire display. This is what I expect from a machine that cost as much as this one did ($2,599 before student discount).
This! I wonder why consumers are accepting less than "retina-class-as-advertised" displays. If Apple wants to convince us that they're selling high-end computers in the Pro line, they must accept the consequences of selling something as "top-notch", that is, they have to deliver a top-notch product.

Excuses like "this is the normal functioning on wLED-IPS technology" is definitely unacceptable.