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mattspace

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so this.

The gist seems to be that there's no (current) Mac that can support it due to "not enough bandwidth", I assume due to TB3.

It seems another example of the world not staying still, so that Apple can ration out an orderly revolution at a pace that suits them.
 
This thing also just came out, also the thing with decklink is they will only supply sdi signal within the editing software. It not like just plugging in an external monitor. They are only for reference video viewing while editing.

If you new that already then ignore that.
[doublepost=1511333048][/doublepost]Heres the tech specs, even talked about mac in the installation notes, says use x16 slot.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/nz/products/decklink/techspecs/W-DLK-34#W-DLK-34
 
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Sure, but these do live video capture (I wasn't thinking a video card as in a GPU for driving a monitor). Is there any way to capture 8k on a Mac at the moment?
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Heres the tech specs, even talked about mac in the installation notes, says use x16 slot.

So if I read that right, it's not going to happen on thunderbolt, which is what the original video was referring to in terms of "not enough bandwidth".
 
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Sure, but these do live video capture (I wasn't thinking a video card as in a GPU for driving a monitor). Is there any way to capture 8k on a Mac at the moment?

I am really not sure, you would need an 8k camera and RED does have a relationship with Apple. From what I have heard even the highest of the high end custom PC's struggle with 8k.
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Sure, but these do live video capture (I wasn't thinking a video card as in a GPU for driving a monitor). Is there any way to capture 8k on a Mac at the moment?
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So if I read that right, it's not going to happen on thunderbolt, which is what the original video was referring to in terms of "not enough bandwidth".

The guy asked about MacBooks, maybe that is what they are referring to.
 
The guy asked about MacBooks, maybe that is what they are referring to.

Well obviously, at the moment, thunderbolt is the only option for any current Mac, so even an iMac Pro won't be able to drive this card (assuming it's outside the capability of TB3), unless TB3 link aggregation turns into a thing.

Just another head shaking moment of wondering how the hell anyone at Apple could even contemplate making a "pro" workstation, especially in the field that was supposed to be their "core" market, without the PCI slots everyone else uses.
 
Funny, my 2012 MacPro and 2012 MBP seem to be doing just fine with 8k.

Original poster, this is the guy to talk to. I am really glad to find out I have heard wrong.
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Funny, my 2012 MacPro and 2012 MBP seem to be doing just fine with 8k.

Could you offer some insight to your workflow with 8k. I personally would be interested to hear about it and I am sure others would as well.
 
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Funny, my 2012 MacPro and 2012 MBP seem to be doing just fine with 8k.

yup, it's not the ability to process / edit the files, but ingesting the footage that I'm curious about. If your camera is recording an 8k file to a storage medium, you can then copy it across afterwards, but i'm assuming you're not capturing 8k footage live on your macbook?

My suspicion for this decklink card is their Mac support is specific to cheesegraters / hacks.
 
My suspicion for this decklink card is their Mac support is specific to cheesegraters
The picture from Blackmagic's page confirms it
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Now let's just see if Apple will follow with MP7,1, or assume PCIe to TB3 connection...
 
The picture from Blackmagic's page confirms it

heh, tempting as it is, that's just a marketing shot so i wouldn't read too much significance into it - there's another pic that's a feature image for the 8k card, showing an editbay with a trashcan on the desk.
 
heh, tempting as it is, that's just a marketing shot so i wouldn't read too much significance into it
Haha, fully aware of it, but remember what happened few months ago when Blackmagic populated it's website with HP workstations and non-Apple displays? Phill and Craig announced 7,1.:D
 
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it can't hurt the cause of people who want a slotbox running macOS that Blackmagic etc are making tools that require slots.
 
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Original poster, this is the guy to talk to. I am really glad to find out I have heard wrong.
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Could you offer some insight to your workflow with 8k. I personally would be interested to hear about it and I am sure others would as well.

I have a maxed out 2012 tower. I've been on 6k Dragon for a while and editing and grading was fine on it. Working in Premiere I'd be editing at 1/2 res or 1/4 res no problem with a 980ti and fast Raid. I was worried that when I upgraded to 8k Weapon I would need a new system, I honestly see very little if any impact after switching. The compression on the 8k as improved so much that it works the same way my 6k did. Even the file sizes are similar. Premiere and Resolve handle things well, granted my fans are always running at full tilt lol. After Effects can get a little bogged down, but it's not optimized for GPU use so that's a lot of work for the processors.

I don't really know who will be using a card like this for 8k capture into a computer. It's really only for broadcasting applications right now and there are limited cameras that can even output a 8k signal. I can't even name one off the top of my head. Probably an Ikegami or the new Sharp that was just announced. Nothing really you can buy for under 100k at least.

If anything this card is will be more used for 8k output, which is still rare since the displays are so few and expensive, but possible with a card like this. Maybe even for a quad 4k setup or multiscreen.

There's no real reason to be editing in online 8k resolution. I'm still editing my 4k in a 1080p environment, then switch to 4k for output when I need to.

I'm trying to hold out on a new system until the next MacPro drops. If need be before then, I'll just get the iMacPro in the interim.
 
I have a maxed out 2012 tower. I've been on 6k Dragon for a while and editing and grading was fine on it. Working in Premiere I'd be editing at 1/2 res or 1/4 res no problem with a 980ti and fast Raid. I was worried that when I upgraded to 8k Weapon I would need a new system, I honestly see very little if any impact after switching. The compression on the 8k as improved so much that it works the same way my 6k did. Even the file sizes are similar. Premiere and Resolve handle things well, granted my fans are always running at full tilt lol. After Effects can get a little bogged down, but it's not optimized for GPU use so that's a lot of work for the processors.

I don't really know who will be using a card like this for 8k capture into a computer. It's really only for broadcasting applications right now and there are limited cameras that can even output a 8k signal. I can't even name one off the top of my head. Probably an Ikegami or the new Sharp that was just announced. Nothing really you can buy for under 100k at least.

If anything this card is will be more used for 8k output, which is still rare since the displays are so few and expensive, but possible with a card like this. Maybe even for a quad 4k setup or multiscreen.

There's no real reason to be editing in online 8k resolution. I'm still editing my 4k in a 1080p environment, then switch to 4k for output when I need to.

I'm trying to hold out on a new system until the next MacPro drops. If need be before then, I'll just get the iMacPro in the interim.

I'm wondering if Flanders Scientific have something in the works that we don't know about. Being this card is fully SDI.

If it was just a matter of driving an 8k monitor via DisplayPort then the bigger Pascal GPU's can do that now.
 
Considering that Blackmagic was rumored to have a hand in pressuring Apple to do a new Mac Pro, probably a good sign for PCI-E slots in a Mac Pro.

Edit: Oh, no, that was Red. Well... hopefully still another pressure point for Apple.
 
Blackmagic Design is definitely a driving force in bringing advanced tech to a wide base and make it relatively affordable.
 
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