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Bloomberg: Apple Silicon Mac Pro May Feature Up to 32 High Performance Cores, 128 Core Option for Graphics
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I have the current Mac Pro 2019 I wonder is the new m1 Mac Pro will have pci slots or some kind of expandablity. I was able to add usb and ssd to my Mac Pro. If you can't upgrade and add cards the what's the point it's just a Mac mini or a iMac. I don't care if my pro desktop is small I need expandability and power. I hope the price is in a point where you and buy every 3-5 years. will it even have upgradeable ram. apple will Lose a lot more pro's if this Is the case.
They should sell a new Pro product line called Apple Cores (pun intended). You can buy 8 cores at a time and stick them into the machines to boost performance lol
I hear ya, I've always had towers for the entire time, because of the trash can nonsense I was forced to upgrade my 2009 Mac Pro to it limits which I'm still using today. I had been literally waiting 10 years for a proper Mac Pro and then they finally make one and It costs over 6k and comes with a 256gb HD. . . . of course I had the 23 inch cinema display and was looking forward to getting a new display. . . .BAM another 5 grand for that. Oh and if you wanted to use the display another grand for a stand. If all that wasn't enough the wheels for the tower cost more than most car tires!!! A $2500 - $3500 system with a $999 display is what is missing from the lineup, the mention of a "CUBE" upcoming is totally useless if you cannot add regular size cards to it.
Dear Apple,
Believe it or not, there is a customer base that doesn't spend their whole day on email, internet, and social media. We also don't work at a movie studio with an unlimited budget!! How about making a Mac Pro and Display that are inline with the 2012 pricing?? This is the reason they don't sell a ton of towers and then bitch about the sales being lower than expected. I couldn't imagine paying $6,000+ for a computer that has a 256GB hard drive in it. A new smaller tower that might not be modular is not the answer!! Changes need to be made . . . . .
Believe it or not, there is a customer base that doesn't spend their whole day on email, internet, and social media. We also don't work at a movie studio with an unlimited budget!! How about making a Mac Pro and Display that are inline with the 2012 pricing?? This is the reason they don't sell a ton of towers and then bitch about the sales being lower than expected. I couldn't imagine paying $6,000+ for a computer that has a 256GB hard drive in it. A new smaller tower that might not be modular is not the answer!! Changes need to be made . . . . .
Well, no matter how fast the machine, sometimes or even often it is just waiting on the user.
Performance cores would just create more heat here.
A lot of us make our own energy.........and it is then theirs to waste.
Better hope not or you will have to buy it for 3x MSRP from sketchy third parties as all the hardware is snapped up by miners. Pyramid schemes lead to crazy behavior.
Very true. My intel 2020 iMac, specced to almost the max, can still feel sluggish at times despite being quite powerful.
It’s Intel Xeon not Xenon. The Xenon was a 3-core IBM CPU announced in 2003, that went in the XBox 360. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)
I know how you feel as I'm typing this on my 2009 -> 5,1 MP with 2x5690 and stuck on Mojave. Bought it new 12 years ago. Now my future could look like this: For work (writing) and music production an Apple Silicon Mac mini with more ports and performance than the current one plus a horribly expensive TB chassis because you cannot add internal storage to affordable Macs anymore. And for gaming a powerful, yet reasonably priced PC. Both could share one big screen.
If you're relying on site-local renewables (and presumably a battery system) I'd have thought you'd be even more interested in it being energy efficient.
Or you could just look at their existing products.
MBP16: 16 > 64GB, $800
Intel Mac mini : 8GB > 64GB, $1000;
iMac27: 8GB > 64gb, $1000
2019 Mac Pro: 32 > 96GB (i.e. "adding" 64GB, even though actually swapping 4 for 6): $1000.
Which seems to be about the same as, for example, HP charges.
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I'm all for this. I find 16GB to be just fine anyway, but am accustomed to 32 or 64GB on my Intel Macs. I've been planning to bump up to 32GB as my Apple Silicon baseline when that becomes available.
Am I allowed to say wow ?
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I guess the problems going to be to find software to stress this monster !
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I guess the problems going to be to find software to stress this monster !
Honestly Eth mining relies more on memory bandwidth than GPU speed, that is usually why miners underclocks their cards (but overclock the ram)
Intel Xeon W-3300 is coming soon and it will be a successor to Xeon W-3200 used in the current Mac Pro.
My predictions:
- Current Mac Pro will be updated later this year (announced possibly at WWDC) with Xeon W-3300. Same form factor, new MPX modules (PCIe 4.0) based on Navi 21 & Navi 22 (Radeon RX 6700/6800/6900 series). Up to 4 TB ram.
- New Mac Pro with Apple Silicon possibly next year. New, smaller form factor, as the original post states.
- The two versions will be sold simultaneously, until the Intel version fades out.
A lot of us still produce more than we can store.....
The rest we sell back to the grid, formerly chuck’s.
I don’t need any help figuring out my consumption city slicker. Worry about your own.
they have **** on this pro user by not releasing a mid level pro machine, something akin to the old G4 Cube in fact.
I don't need upgradability if the specs are right from the start, unlike the iMac Pro gpu which was crap in comparison to Nvidias offerings [it could barely handle the 5k screen].
Well thats an interesting development. The "it'll be out soon" part probably warrants the usual Intel disclaimer of late.
It still seems like a pretty significant upgrade/change from the current model, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this, given the transition period is half-way through already. But hey, if you're right, then it may give those of us with Intel-specific workloads a nice final stepping stone for several years.
Why would you assume I'm a "city slicker"?
Oh right, because it's easier than making an actual argument.
My argument was made. City folk are always in such a hurry they never read carefully.
I farm electrons. And I have an excess of electrons. I’ll consume, waste, or sell them as I please.
Not really in this case. Xeon SP dies were suppose to come out in 2H20. At this point we are almost to 2H21. There has already been a delay. The Xeon SP 3rd Gen Ice Lake product is already out.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/74979/ice-lake.html#@Server
The Xeon W 3300 series parts will simply use binned versions of those exact same dies with some features turned off/on (and possibly a different package. ) '
Vendors are already shipping Xeon SP 3rd Gen Ice Lake systems:
Tyan 3rd Generation Intel Xeon Scalable Ice Lake Servers Launched
New Tyan 3rd Generation Intel Xeon Scalable Ice Lake servers bring PCIe Gen4 to Tyan's Intel Xeon customer base
So the only question here now is only which package toss the die into. The new or "old socket' and when there are are enough "extra" , binned dies to allocate to the xeon W series product line. If Intel is trying to match the new higher max core count then the socket is likely the same. So really probably just boils down to supply allocation problem.
It is not whether can entry volume production or not. That happened back in January.
Intel Ice Lake Xeon Now In Production
In this piece, Intel says Ice Lake Xeons are now in production. We go a step further and describe how we will label future launch statuses
Really more a matter of when get to better supply/demand balance. ( AMD growing server share probably has some impact of making more of these dies available as get deeper into this year; not less). It won't be surprising if Intel does a somewhat soft roll out on this at Computex at end of May or it happens in June. July-August is there is some chip supply problem.
Intel waiting until the AMD Threadripper Zen 3 really gets heavily going is only going to make it worse for them. Waiting for Sapphire Ridge ( gen 4) in this product space would just be digging a deeper hole.
There is a decent chance that Apple put work into a iMac Pro update with this. Back in 2017-2018 this was suppose to be out in 2019. That then slide to 2020 . if Apple thought it was going to slide to 2020 back then then it could have rolled out with the 27" iMac update in August 2020 as one of the "stop gap" transitionary large screen iMacs.
The Xeon W-3300 is problematical for the iMac Pro because the TDP went up in the final version of the product. Coupled with probably also TDP growth in AMD GPU options that probably stalled out the iMac Pro update (plus greater overalp with the 2020 iMac 27" ). However, if Apple did the ground work for the CPU-chipset already then that could be shifted over to the Mac Pro also if they need lots more time for a "full tower" version of a M-series solution.
The Mac Pro 2019 chassis can probably absorb the CPU TDP bump.
It is a viable option for a 2H21 system release. If Apple is pushing Navi2 MPX updates in 2021 then makes even less sense to leave the CPU stuck at PCI-e v3 option for GPU's that max out at PCI-v4 (even more so if want to leverage "Smart access memory" in these new GPUs. )