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sooooo glad I've held off on a new Macbook since my 2015 15" MBP died almost 3 years ago. Couldn't stomach the prices of the Macbooks vs. Windows machines at the time and bought the newly intro'd Huawei Matebook X Pro.

It's an awesome laptop, and I've even done the Hackintosh thing on it, but I'm looking forward to 2021 and buying a M1X/M2 powered new-design 14" MacBook Pro.
 
I don't think it's practical. It would likely be a separate die. Sort of like how the RAM is part of the M1 package, but the RAM is not on die.
It seems except for memory Apple has been putting more stuff on a SoC for example the A14 has all the coprocessors that were once separated on earlier iOS devices. Do you think they might reverse the trend and break out the GPU? I feel that GPU integration on Apple’s A series chips has been marketed as an advantage not as something lesser to a discrete GPU.
 
We're going to have to wait and see if Apple can produce these chips in quantity as the cost per chip increases as the size increases. It's all about yield. The consensus is that for non-laptop you need a desktop class CPU which means getting rid of these so-called efficiency cores. That's dead space in desktop CPUs which don't have thermal restrictions like most laptops.

In addition, Apple needs to resolve the issues with the small memory footprint available in current M1 machines to get them viewed as competitive to the Intel models.
I think efficiency cores would still be needed. This is why Intel CPUs are so power hungry for even the smallest tasks. My iMac 2019 core i9 spins up its fans for the smallest of tasks. While efficiency cores could be used.
 
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And I am predicting that Bloomberg will have coverage on Christmas shopping season statistics for this year in 2021Q1.
 
Will Apple be able to implement hyperthreading on these cores? I seem to remember a report on a 56-core ARM server processor that had 4x hyperthreading. I can’t find it now, and all ARM server chips seem to be 1-core / 1-thread designs.
 
I bet this new alleged design is the one that may see the rumored return of the dreaded butterfly keyboard.
 
Yes, the M1 is top notch...and based on tech...from there we will see a linar upgrade...think about what an 20 core imac with apple custom gpu can do next late year

Think about it...the pros who wants RAW power...using windows will switch...because PRO are not limited by OS but limited by time...for PROs time is relevant...so, the macs now with impressive battery life and impressive power...can steal a lot of - both the pros and the casual users from windows and linux users
From 4 years using both windows oem and mac...now im going full mac starting next year
I tend to agree. The real technological disruptions here are architectural and thermal efficiency. Adding more low or high efficiency processing cores or moving to a smaller processor process will likely be evolutionary, not, so much, revolutionary. What they have now will clearly help them break out of the niche market status that they have been mired in the last several decades. It will be interesting to see how or if they can leverage this tech to overwhelm the Intel status before their competition can wake up and then catch up.
 
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Not at all likely. Do you really think Apple engineers are that much smarter than AMD or NVidia GPU designers? If that were true, Apple would begin designing graphics cards that could also be used in the other 90% of the PC market held by Windows machines.

Sure, especially as the GPU can be efficiently tailored and tightly coupled to Apple's CPUs.


"Apple would begin designing graphics cards that could also be used in the other 90% of the PC market held by Windows machines."

Why would Apple want to do that? That's not their core business and would be a huge distraction.
 
And this breaking news just in: Water, it turns out, is wet.

Obvious rumor is obvious.

Apple owns both the ball and the field, and the opposing team is sitting on the ground 50 yards back, tying their shoes. Of course Apple’s working on new improved processors.
 
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Too bad the $1000 XDR display stand doesn't have any Intel chips to be removed...
Good thing that we can celebrate the things that Apple does right, criticise the things that they do wrong and ridicule the things they do that are beneath contempt...

I mean, imagine if one group of people decided to worship Apple and unconditionally defend everything they did, while another group just unthinkingly criticised everything. You'd have an internet full of people being rude and disrespectful...
 
I understand that news outlets need something to write about, but this is pretty obvious stuff.
Apple works on improved processors for their next generation devices. Like they did in the past.
It's obvious to most of us who read this forum, but perhaps not obvious to most potential users. My experience with the M1 so far has been outstanding, although I am a little unhappy with menubar icons moving around each time I log out. The M1 has run so cool I can't tell if my Mini is on just by touching it - the case always feels cold, not at all like my last one.
 
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Not at all likely. Do you really think Apple engineers are that much smarter than AMD or NVidia GPU designers? If that were true, Apple would begin designing graphics cards that could also be used in the other 90% of the PC market held by Windows machines.
This is pretty confused comment.

- It is not about who is smarter.
- Apple is not making CPUs for Windows machines. They're not going to make GPU's for Windows machines.
- Yes Apple is going to make GPU's that are part of their Apple Silicon architecture that are better than anything else for Macs.
 
I going to wait it out till Apple Silicon chips perk maybe in 4-5 years and grab a two year old refurbish at 40% off from Apple that is fully loaded! Maybe both a MacBook Air and Mac Pro!
 
This comes as a surprise to, who exactly?

Apple has just released their first Apple Silicone Macs, the lower end of the range. They have already announced the complete transition to their own in-house designed, Apple Silicon chips for the entire Mac line-up, with a two year timeframe.

And according to their ‘sources’, some secretive, industry insider no doubt. Apple are working on more of these chips?

Seriously? Sources? FFS, they could have asked me and I’d have been able to tell them that :D
They also gave data like core count, dates, etc.
 
A 32 core chip like this would simply change the industry forever. I imagine it being excessively lucrative for apple once they make the new Mac Pro that can handle multiple 8k streams at once. At some point we are really just going ronhave to ask ourselves when enough is enough lol. I’m wondering when they’ll up their GPU support. In today’s age any gaming title would run fine here.
 
Just to add something, GPU core counts are all counted differently and meaningless across architectures. An Apple GPU core is 128 ALUs, say an Intel one is 8.

Seeing what they did with the 8C M1, the prospect of a 128 core Apple GPU is amazingly tantalizing, that's 16,384 unified shaders.
 
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Will Apple be able to implement hyperthreading on these cores? I seem to remember a report on a 56-core ARM server processor that had 4x hyperthreading. I can’t find it now, and all ARM server chips seem to be 1-core / 1-thread designs.

Hyper threading is by my understanding because we have instructions to spare. ARM is deliberately on a simple instruction set so one core to one thread makes a lot of sense.
 
Will Apple be able to implement hyperthreading on these cores? I seem to remember a report on a 56-core ARM server processor that had 4x hyperthreading. I can’t find it now, and all ARM server chips seem to be 1-core / 1-thread designs.

With a 630 entry deep reorder buffer per core, their strategy is more to just not have those gaps in execution from one thread, which is what hyperthreading tries to fill in. It's not an eventual evolution of a core to get to SMT, it's a fix for gaps in execution.
 
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