OK, now try to run F1 2019 on it with full ultra high res graphics and tell me your "amazing" experience with it. I'll laugh.
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Bloomberg: Apple's First Arm Mac to Launch by 2021 With 12-Core Processor
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OK, now try to run F1 2019 on it with full ultra high res graphics and tell me your "amazing" experience with it. I'll laugh.
Why don't you ask the people actually trying to do that? Again, your entire argument is that ARM in general completely sucks because a $40 SBC is slow and not as fast as, say, a $2000 laptop. Apple's not going to just put a raspi-equivalent processor inside a MacBook.
Seeing how the Mac Pro was just released as x86, it will get support for at least 10yrs possibly at least for that machine and other ones. It definitely means that at some point in the late 2020's that x86 machines will not be allowed update their OS.
I just feel sorry for the developers having to port all their stuff. I'm sure there will be some emulation method during the transition, but it will slow down those devs' other plans for new features
Oh, but they should, because they could all it ...
Apple Pi.
*crickets*
I'll see myself out ...
All transitions cause uncertainty. But Apple have it covered. They've only got to pull the trigger.
iPad has vast amount of software. Much of it looks fresher, new ideas, more innovation in apps, games, better design.
Soon the 'Mac' will. The Apple 'toe in water' testing of the apps shows this is going to happen. Adding the library of iPad apps to the 'Mac' will become clearer in a year or so.
Adobe have already started the ARM transition (they were late on the last Intel transition. PS took ages.)
Affinity have Apps that mirror their desktop apps.
Procreate makes Painter look archaic.
You no longer need a Mac to do good art (and that was true when Adobe went PC.)
Those are just a few examples.
Whispers of X Code coming too.
Any old dinosaurs that don't make it over will probably run in 'legacy' emulation of some such until Apple cuts the life support on them.
For now, I'd like them to get that iMac update out.
Azrael.
Try running it on a comparable machine - a passively cooled retina MacBook and see how much better the experience is =P
Those are again paying for the name in a lot of instances (XPS 13 is nice though). I was thinking more along Asus or building your own laptop (custom order).
2.2 million Apps. A number the Mac can only currently dream about.
But in a couple of years, it will 'dream' no longer.
Azrael.
I would guess less than 1%.
ROFL. The same iPad Pro that cant run an emulation of Windows 10 with desktop speed? Yeah, right.
"one or two five desktop quality ARM chips..."
Let me see... when? 2027?
I still think many of you are viewing this as all or nothing while I think Apple walks and chews gum at the same time. It seems more likely ARM Macs would be an entry point for the light duty work, web based activity etc. that folks want a permanent clam shell design for. Sure getting OSX on Mac isn't hard, the seeds have been planted the last few revisions anyway, and getting the core applications on the platform aren't difficult.
BUT the Pro Machines/iMacs, those will come later if at all. You're not getting the performance of an iMac Pro out of an ARM chip, today. Toe is going in the water first this time, help devs navigate. see how it goes before jumping/pushing everyone in.
BUT the Pro Machines/iMacs, those will come later if at all. You're not getting the performance of an iMac Pro out of an ARM chip, today. Toe is going in the water first this time, help devs navigate. see how it goes before jumping/pushing everyone in.
So you don’t think AMD could meet quotas for iMacs or minis?
I only really mentioned AMD because only with the 4000 series, do they actually make for a mobile alternative to Intel. AMD has had desktop alternatives for 3 years now, but Apple hasn’t given them a sniff, for some reason.
if Apple hasn't given them a sniff, then why AMD references where found in last macOS code? Seems they have been testing AMD for their OS.
It's quite easy. Just buy a PC now. (I'm going to. Just how long can you wait for Mac Pros and iMacs to turn up.) Most software is cross platform anyhow. (Adobe, Poser, Affinity, Z-Brush...just a few egs of creative apps that run on both for me.)
And if you need Linux. Easy to run that too.
And ARM Mac will be attractive or not. It's coming. Inevitable. It won't be a slouch.
iPad and iPhone are already potent causal games platforms. They're comparable to PS3 and higher now. It will be a while before they match the PS5 and that. But in time they will.
Any custom ARM Mac will be potent, they'd got to match and supercede Intel. They're already matching the Intel cpu in many instances. And the Apple chip has very strong gpu performance.
Any custom Mac / ARM cpu will have ambition behind it.
The iPad's Procreate runs far better than Painter on the Mac.
It's another one of these wait and see things.
Azrael.
You are right. But I am not worried. Late 2020's would probably so different that all our prior assumptions right now are moot.
But I will stick with x86 for the time being. Because I know it will take time to port apps to ARM, if ever.
I am not willing to compromise my productivity to be a "beta tester" for the first few years.
The Mac market is about 20M per year. 10% is 2M systems per year. Over 4-5 years that 8-10M users.
It is indicative to a highly contributing reason why there is a decent chance won't flip the whole line up to ARM.
2M $2K systems is leaving $4B on the table. In the grand picture of Apple overall revenue ... maybe "no big loss". In the Mac product space, it is.
To be "too small, didn't notice" zone this would need to be down in the 1% (or less) userbase range.
That isn't likely since programmers make up a very significant chunk of Apple's "Pro" userbase.
Probably some exclusivity deal. Business is politics.
AMD cpus are creaming INtel cpus right now. With an ARM transition so close....doubt we'll see AMD anyhow.
Azrael.
AMD still doesnt have a complete product portfolio and I still don’t believe that AMD would be able to supply both Apple and their PC OEM customers with enough CPUs should Apple become a customer.
The problem is will they update their apps? Because they will have to support x86 windows, x86 mac and then ARM mac (and potentially iphone and ipad as well). Its not just a simple matter of adding another platform to support, that costs money and resources that companies might not want to invest in due to the smaller sales of mac software compared to windows. Its a money thing, do you add on native support for what, less than 1% when ARM macs come out? If I owned a company i would say no, not worth the trouble for the small return.