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I can wait a month or two for brd drive, then I'll have to author a movie.
But I can't wait that long for a graphics card and a monitor since I should start color grading that movie in couple of weeks.

Because of HDCP, all these things (gpu, brd drive, monitor) are depending on each other, so you have to know before buying anyone of them.
 
This is the best piece of advice I have read on these forums so far... only because BSG was quoted! :D

if you don't have an unlimited supply of money I suggest everyone waits.
if you're not a professional who needs to make BR or HD-DVD discs... wait.

You'll be saving money and avoiding hassles.

BD-Rs cost like $20 right now...

Do you remember when DVD-Rs were that expensive?

Just remember CD-PLAYERS cost $800 at some point, you can practically buy them at a dollar store now. I'm not suggesting you wait ten years, but a couple months could save you a couple hundred.

remember the Cylon Mantra "This has all happened before, and it will happen again."

be patient, i'm trying really hard myself.
 
I ordered the enclosure from Addonics directly on Sunday and it is set to arrive tomorrow, so I'll know more about how well it works this weekend.

BajaBurrito - you never updated us on your results of the enclosure. I am interested in doing something similar.
 
Having just successfully installed an LG Blu-ray drive (LG GGW-H20L) internally in my Mac Pro connected to one of the SATA ports on the logic board, let me offer you the following advice: don't do it! You will likely avoid significant hassle and be much better served by purchasing an external drive with USB 2.0 connection or, less desirably, by getting a SATA to USB 2.0 enclosure to house your internal drive.

Here is a summary of problems you may encounter by placing a SATA Blu-ray drive inside your Mac Pro:
  • Drive bezel removal. As stated, it is necessary to remove the tray bezel from the drive (not the entire faceplate, but just the front of the tray itself). This can be a slightly delicate operation and you risk damaging the drive itself if not careful, since you will placing some strain on the tray while removing the bezel and you will likely need to use the emergency eject to get access to the tray itself which can strain the drive motor assembly. Even with the tray bezel removed, clearance through the Mac Pro front panel may still not be perfect unless you have the drive cage and drive tray perfectly aligned with the cutouts on the case.
  • Extra parts for the operation. You will need to purchase a P0 and P1 phillips screwdrivers if you don't have them already, an L-shaped SATA cable of sufficient length (preferably with the L-connector on just one end to connect to the logic board, although I was able to use a double-L), and a 4-pin-to-SATA power adapter if one did not come with your drive.
  • Logic board SATA port access. Gaining access to the Mac Pro's SATA ports on the logic board can be a frustrating experience. You will need to remove the front fan assembly to gain access to the ODD SATA ports as shown here. I did not have any particular difficulty removing the fan assembly, but putting it back together required patience, a steady hand, and frequent use of pliers and case rotation to fetch screws that I dropped into the cavernous depths of the Mac Pro case. Additionally, snaking the SATA cable into the drive cage was somewhat difficult since there is little clearance, but this was partially due to my use of a double-L cable.
  • OS X Compatibility. This is obviously dependent on your drive model, but I am not able to burn with BD-R or BD-RE media using Toast 8.0.3 or Disk Utility when connected using SATA, however DVD+R, DVD+R DL, CD-R work fine as does read access to BD media. Reportedly, BD write support for my drive is available when connected using USB 2.0.
  • Windows Compatibility. The additional onboard SATA ports in the Mac Pro are not available in Boot Camp Windows, and thus your drive will not be detected, unless you enable AHCI in the EFI firmware by using the GRUB bootloader to chain load Windows as described here. Additionally, Parallels Desktop 3.0 does not appear to have the ability to connect a SATA optical drive (although VMWare Fusion does). However, all of these Windows environments should theoretically function fully when using a USB 2.0 connection rather than SATA.
I should be receiving an Addonics ZESU2CS SATA-to-USB/eSATA enclosure tomorrow and I will be removing the LG drive from the Mac Pro to place in the enclosure instead, so I can more fully report on some of my assumptions that an external USB solution will cure my woes. However, at this point I would strongly recommend against attempting an internal install.

Another possible option is to install a separate SATA PCI card instead of dealing with the onboard SATA ports. That may help with some of these problems, although it could also create issues of its own.

I've just ordered the same drive. And I don't want to hear any of this...
 
Why has this thread gone quiet?! My story...

I have just bought the GGW-H20L for backing up data (not movies yet)

After reading the helpful warnings I first tried connecting it externally to my Sonnet Tempo E4P card with an SATA-eSATA connector (and a wiebetech dock power supply).

This was meant to be just a test to see what worked, before embarking on the tricky connection a motherboard SATA port. Anyway the Mac Pro never saw the LG at all and nothing worked at all, although the light on the front came on.

Since the motherboard SATA connection works for others (XLR8) this must be a problem with the Sonnet E4P card?

Then I connected it with a SATA-USB adapter cable, and everything works fine. I burned a 22 Gb data disk in 40 minutes with Toast 8.0.3 and it verified OK.

I have now ordered a cheap 5.25 Optical drive enclosure and will use it externally until I understand about why it didn't work with the Sonnet.

XLR8 reports say that Toast burning won't work with SATA connection, but Finder burn will. I would settle for this to get the LG internal, but don't want to start the motherboard connector route without a bit more confidence.

Any comment or input welcome.

Mike

PS Machine is 2006 Mac Pro 2.66, 8 Gb RAM, ATI HD2600 card, 10.5.2.
 
I have just bought the GGW-H20L for backing up data (not movies yet)

After reading the helpful warnings I first tried connecting it externally to my Sonnet Tempo E4P card with an SATA-eSATA connector (and a wiebetech dock power supply).

This was meant to be just a test to see what worked, before embarking on the tricky connection a motherboard SATA port. Anyway the Mac Pro never saw the LG at all and nothing worked at all, although the light on the front came on.

Since the motherboard SATA connection works for others (XLR8) this must be a problem with the Sonnet E4P card?

Then I connected it with a SATA-USB adapter cable, and everything works fine. I burned a 22 Gb data disk in 40 minutes with Toast 8.0.3 and it verified OK.

I have now ordered a cheap 5.25 Optical drive enclosure and will use it externally until I understand about why it didn't work with the Sonnet.

XLR8 reports say that Toast burning won't work with SATA connection, but Finder burn will. I would settle for this to get the LG internal, but don't want to start the motherboard connector route without a bit more confidence.

Any comment or input welcome.

Mike

PS Machine is 2006 Mac Pro 2.66, 8 Gb RAM, ATI HD2600 card, 10.5.2.

Maybe Toast 9 works now with the SATA connection? Is there anyway for you to test that? Thanks.
 
Maybe Toast 9 works now with the SATA connection? Is there anyway for you to test that? Thanks.

Actually, Toast 9 doesn't work either.
I was able to burn 16GB of data to a BD-RW from the Finder but not with toast.

In any case, you should know that most eSATA/SATA controllers are RAID focused so they don't support Optical drives - only hard drives.
Hope this helps - I tried almost every SATA internal/external controller on the market except the firmtek one and I can't find anything on i it will support optical drives either.
 
Actually, Toast 9 doesn't work either.
I was able to burn 16GB of data to a BD-RW from the Finder but not with toast.

In any case, you should know that most eSATA/SATA controllers are RAID focused so they don't support Optical drives - only hard drives.
Hope this helps - I tried almost every SATA internal/external controller on the market except the firmtek one and I can't find anything on i it will support optical drives either.

Thanks! That is exactly the info I was looking for.

So do I infer that you have successfully connected yours to the motherboard SATA and it works with Finder burn?

Mike
 
Actually, Toast 9 doesn't work either.
I was able to burn 16GB of data to a BD-RW from the Finder but not with toast.

In any case, you should know that most eSATA/SATA controllers are RAID focused so they don't support Optical drives - only hard drives.
Hope this helps - I tried almost every SATA internal/external controller on the market except the firmtek one and I can't find anything on i it will support optical drives either.

Very strange why Toast doesn't have support to burn BD on SATA BD drives. Aren't most BD drives SATA anyway, except for some external ones.

Can one burn a Blu-Ray disc under Windows using a BD SATA drive with Nero or other BD Authoring apps?
 
I remember reading on http://xlr8yourmac.com that someone has a Panasonic blu-ray burner connected to one of the onboard SATA connectors of a Mac Pro and it works fine with Toast 8 and Toast 9. This leads me to believe that there may be an isolated problem with LG blu-ray burners and Toast 8/9.
 
Hurrah....sort of

I have successfully put my LG in the upper bay and 112D in the lower.

I was able to connect an 'L' SATA cable to the lower motherboard port without removing the fan assembly etc. Just removed the top screw, which enabled the fan assembly to move about .1 in away from the motherboard, which was enough to winkle the connector on.

All is working as expected, except:-

1.Very slow boot time. Have reset the SMC and PRAM.

2.Both 'eject' and 'alt+eject' open the top burner (LG). I can open and close the bottom one with the menulet drop down. I have the IDE connector labelled 'bottom' connected to the bottom. Not a big deal!

The very slow boot time really bugs me!

Any ideas really welcome
 
Fixed the slow start up

The "problem" was the the SATA-USB cable adapter I had been using when the LG was external. I had left it plugged in, powered up but not connected to anything. As soon as I depowered it fast boots restored!
 
Dude Wait

I would wait, in fact I am waiting... either someone will deliver for Apple or Apple will deliver, just wait it out a bit longer, you'll be glad and the drives will be better... than again, they probably won't be making any more HD-DVD drives (shrug)
 
Having just successfully installed an LG Blu-ray drive (LG GGW-H20L) internally in my Mac Pro connected to one of the SATA ports on the logic board, let me offer you the following advice: don't do it! You will likely avoid significant hassle and be much better served by purchasing an external drive with USB 2.0 connection or, less desirably, by getting a SATA to USB 2.0 enclosure to house your internal drive.

Here is a summary of problems you may encounter by placing a SATA Blu-ray drive inside your Mac Pro:
  • Drive bezel removal. As stated, it is necessary to remove the tray bezel from the drive (not the entire faceplate, but just the front of the tray itself). This can be a slightly delicate operation and you risk damaging the drive itself if not careful, since you will placing some strain on the tray while removing the bezel and you will likely need to use the emergency eject to get access to the tray itself which can strain the drive motor assembly. Even with the tray bezel removed, clearance through the Mac Pro front panel may still not be perfect unless you have the drive cage and drive tray perfectly aligned with the cutouts on the case.
  • Extra parts for the operation. You will need to purchase a P0 and P1 phillips screwdrivers if you don't have them already, an L-shaped SATA cable of sufficient length (preferably with the L-connector on just one end to connect to the logic board, although I was able to use a double-L), and a 4-pin-to-SATA power adapter if one did not come with your drive.
  • Logic board SATA port access. Gaining access to the Mac Pro's SATA ports on the logic board can be a frustrating experience. You will need to remove the front fan assembly to gain access to the ODD SATA ports as shown here. I did not have any particular difficulty removing the fan assembly, but putting it back together required patience, a steady hand, and frequent use of pliers and case rotation to fetch screws that I dropped into the cavernous depths of the Mac Pro case. Additionally, snaking the SATA cable into the drive cage was somewhat difficult since there is little clearance, but this was partially due to my use of a double-L cable.
  • OS X Compatibility. This is obviously dependent on your drive model, but I am not able to burn with BD-R or BD-RE media using Toast 8.0.3 or Disk Utility when connected using SATA, however DVD+R, DVD+R DL, CD-R work fine as does read access to BD media. Reportedly, BD write support for my drive is available when connected using USB 2.0.
  • Windows Compatibility. The additional onboard SATA ports in the Mac Pro are not available in Boot Camp Windows, and thus your drive will not be detected, unless you enable AHCI in the EFI firmware by using the GRUB bootloader to chain load Windows as described here. Additionally, Parallels Desktop 3.0 does not appear to have the ability to connect a SATA optical drive (although VMWare Fusion does). However, all of these Windows environments should theoretically function fully when using a USB 2.0 connection rather than SATA.
I should be receiving an Addonics ZESU2CS SATA-to-USB/eSATA enclosure tomorrow and I will be removing the LG drive from the Mac Pro to place in the enclosure instead, so I can more fully report on some of my assumptions that an external USB solution will cure my woes. However, at this point I would strongly recommend against attempting an internal install.

Another possible option is to install a separate SATA PCI card instead of dealing with the onboard SATA ports. That may help with some of these problems, although it could also create issues of its own.

It is not that hard to hook up the aux sata ports. I think it is a bad idea to buy a separate card for this purpose, as it uses up a card slot. Nor is it hard to remove the bezel on the front of an optical drive--this is well known also.

I suspect the best option is to use an adapter board from IDE/ATA to SATA.
 
Blu-ray burning

I wonder if Blu-ray burning from the finder works via SATA now, with OS X 10.5.5 ?
 
i bought an external usb enclosure from newegg for the GGW LG Bluray burner. it works great, i use it with Toast 9. I wrote an article on my MacAppBlog about the process and equipment used. i wouldn't recommend installing the bluray internally. save the frustration and just use an external case. plus you an use the bluray on any mac or pc in the case. i havent played back bluray on windows, but i have heard that it works.
 
Speed?

... save the frustration and just use an external case. plus you an use the bluray on any mac or pc in the case. i havent played back bluray on windows, but i have heard that it works.


I appreciate your advice, but isn't it a lot slower to use USB 2 instead of SATA? Or doesn't a 6-speed Blu-ray burner use that kind of data per second? :confused:
 
bootcamp 3.1 will fix this!

Bootcamp 3.1 will fix this as there will be tons of firmware updates for various machines and the 2008 mac pro is one of them. Once applied, this firmware will now allow ANY sata drive connected to the ODD PORTS to be able to be recognized and booted. Windows will finally be able to see them.







Having just successfully installed an LG Blu-ray drive (LG GGW-H20L) internally in my Mac Pro connected to one of the SATA ports on the logic board, let me offer you the following advice: don't do it! You will likely avoid significant hassle and be much better served by purchasing an external drive with USB 2.0 connection or, less desirably, by getting a SATA to USB 2.0 enclosure to house your internal drive.

Here is a summary of problems you may encounter by placing a SATA Blu-ray drive inside your Mac Pro:
  • Drive bezel removal. As stated, it is necessary to remove the tray bezel from the drive (not the entire faceplate, but just the front of the tray itself). This can be a slightly delicate operation and you risk damaging the drive itself if not careful, since you will placing some strain on the tray while removing the bezel and you will likely need to use the emergency eject to get access to the tray itself which can strain the drive motor assembly. Even with the tray bezel removed, clearance through the Mac Pro front panel may still not be perfect unless you have the drive cage and drive tray perfectly aligned with the cutouts on the case.
  • Extra parts for the operation. You will need to purchase a P0 and P1 phillips screwdrivers if you don't have them already, an L-shaped SATA cable of sufficient length (preferably with the L-connector on just one end to connect to the logic board, although I was able to use a double-L), and a 4-pin-to-SATA power adapter if one did not come with your drive.
  • Logic board SATA port access. Gaining access to the Mac Pro's SATA ports on the logic board can be a frustrating experience. You will need to remove the front fan assembly to gain access to the ODD SATA ports as shown here. I did not have any particular difficulty removing the fan assembly, but putting it back together required patience, a steady hand, and frequent use of pliers and case rotation to fetch screws that I dropped into the cavernous depths of the Mac Pro case. Additionally, snaking the SATA cable into the drive cage was somewhat difficult since there is little clearance, but this was partially due to my use of a double-L cable.
  • OS X Compatibility. This is obviously dependent on your drive model, but I am not able to burn with BD-R or BD-RE media using Toast 8.0.3 or Disk Utility when connected using SATA, however DVD+R, DVD+R DL, CD-R work fine as does read access to BD media. Reportedly, BD write support for my drive is available when connected using USB 2.0.
  • Windows Compatibility. The additional onboard SATA ports in the Mac Pro are not available in Boot Camp Windows, and thus your drive will not be detected, unless you enable AHCI in the EFI firmware by using the GRUB bootloader to chain load Windows as described here. Additionally, Parallels Desktop 3.0 does not appear to have the ability to connect a SATA optical drive (although VMWare Fusion does). However, all of these Windows environments should theoretically function fully when using a USB 2.0 connection rather than SATA.
I should be receiving an Addonics ZESU2CS SATA-to-USB/eSATA enclosure tomorrow and I will be removing the LG drive from the Mac Pro to place in the enclosure instead, so I can more fully report on some of my assumptions that an external USB solution will cure my woes. However, at this point I would strongly recommend against attempting an internal install.

Another possible option is to install a separate SATA PCI card instead of dealing with the onboard SATA ports. That may help with some of these problems, although it could also create issues of its own.
 
Bootcamp 3.1 will fix this as there will be tons of firmware updates for various machines and the 2008 mac pro is one of them. Once applied, this firmware will now allow ANY sata drive connected to the ODD PORTS to be able to be recognized and booted. Windows will finally be able to see them.

Curious. I can't believe Apple would issue firmware updates just
for this one obscure change. Which would mean, if true, there's
something else in those updates.

UEFI 2.1? Speculation time :)
 
The list of non full WIN7 capable machines in Apple's list stipulates that there will be some firmware updates because some of the machines that will obviously be updated do not have EFI64. It could be possible that Apple will upgrade several Macs to EFI64.
 
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