Blu-Ray, HDMI in Windows boxes... how long for Mac?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by chelsel, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. chelsel macrumors 6502

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  2. killmoms macrumors 68040

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    Probably never. Apple does not make mobile workstations.

    Well, eventually Apple will ship laptops with Blu-ray drives, but only once they're reasonable in price and slim enough that they'll fit into their existing enclosures. Apple doesn't sacrifice their thin form factors for added functionality.
     
  3. L3X macrumors 6502a

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    blu-ray and HDDVDs aren't popular enough for Apple to use them. Plus, there's still copyright/trademark debates going on regarding these hi-def formats.

    It's not worthwhile for Apple right now.
     
  4. chelsel thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Virtually same size

    I'm not sure if Apple would agree with saying the MBP is not a mobile workstation. Regarding sizes... taken from the Apple website the current Macbook Pro specs are:

    15-inch MacBook Pro
    Height: 2.59 cm (1.0 inch)
    Width: 35.7 cm (14.1 inches)
    Depth: 24.3 cm (9.6 inches)
    Weight: 2.45 kg (5.4 pounds) with battery and optical drive installed4

    The referenced HP machine with Blu-ray and HDMI has comparable specs:

    Height: 2.75 cm (1.10) inch (1/10th inch thicker)
    Width: 35.7 cm (14.1 inches) SAME WIDTH
    Depth: 26.0 cm (10.24 inches) 3/4 inch deeper
    Weight: (2.77 kg) .32kg heavier

    Not a huge difference by any stretch.
     
  5. chelsel thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You have to remember that Blu-ray is not just for watching movies...

    A single-layer disc can hold 25GB.
    A dual-layer disc can hold 50GB.

    To ensure that the Blu-ray Disc format is easily extendable (future-proof) it also includes support for multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB (25GB per layer) in the future simply by adding more layers to the discs.

    Imagine backing your entire machine up to a single disc... even if HD-DVD does 'win'... at least with this HP you can just pop another drive into the expansion bay.

    Cliff.
     
  6. chelsel thread starter macrumors 6502

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    nothing, nobody, rumors?

    really, nobody has heard any rumors about these capabilities in upcoming laptops?
     
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  8. mr_matalino macrumors 6502a

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    I'd like to see Apple include HDMI inputs into their pro end machines. As soon as the 15" MBP displays come in native HD, then they need to start including Blu-ray.
     
  9. motulist macrumors 68040

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    I wouldn't object to HDMI ports being added, but I certainly don't have any need for it. And I don't see me, or most people, having a need for it for a very long time. I have a very nice 32" SD TV that I am not planning on replacing for at least 5 years, if not longer. And most business projectors already have high res connectors. And DL DVD's can hold 8 gigs of data per disk, which is less than 25 gig per disk, but only in a ratio of 3:1. Going from floppy disk to zip disk was about 75:1, zip disk to cdr was about 7:1, cdr to dvd was 8:1. But using 1 blu-ray disk instead of 3 DL DVD disks isn't enough of a jump to matter.

    etc. etc. etc.

    so I really don't see any need for Mac's to get HDMI or blu-ray any time soon.
     
  10. netdog macrumors 603

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    I'd be willing to bet that the new iMacs will have HDMI. So how long? About a week.

    As for BluRay, its time simply hasn't come. Better to get an external or perhaps offer it as a BTO option with the MP.
     
  11. Squonk macrumors 65816

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    I'm sure that BR will appear on the MacPro before the MBP's. I wonder, for watching a DVD on your MBP screen, would you even notice the difference between 480p and 1080p? I know in theory yes, but in reality???
     
  12. killmoms macrumors 68040

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    I notice a difference between 480p and 1080p on others' MacBook Pros, just between the trailers on apple.com (well, when they aren't just crappy upscales, like the Sunshine trailer there :mad:).
     
  13. Squonk macrumors 65816

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    Oh yeah - duh - why didn't I think of that. I can go to iTMS and see for myself on my PB...

    thx. :)
     
  14. killmoms macrumors 68040

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    Well... you can certainly compare stills. That's why I didn't suggest you specifically go compare, since your PowerBook (like ANY PowerBook) doesn't have nearly enough horsepower to decode HD H.264 (even 720p, much less 1080p).
     
  15. russell.h macrumors regular

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    Maybe I'm just very sensitive to such things, but IHMO DVDs look absolutely horrible on my MBPs screen. They look similarly horrible on a TV unless you get about 20 feet away.

    There is absolutely no contest between a standard def DVD and a high def video (I've never actually watched an HD DVD or BluRay, but I've gotten lots of trailers and whatnot from the internet). Its like the difference between a still shot with a webcam and a still shot with a high quality digital camera in terms of the resolution. I mean the iSight is higher resolution than a DVD (although of course DVDs have much nicer color and whatnot what with being shot with much more expensive and larger cameras).
     
  16. jdechko macrumors 68040

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    I don't think HDMI will make it into a Mac any time soon unless they make an HTPC Mac. Simply put, the DVI port is a computer monitor port, and belongs on a computer, whereas HDMI is geared less towards computing and more towards entertainment. As it's been mentioned many times before HDMI=DVI+Audio.

    I think support for Blu-Ray and HD DVD drives will make it into Leopard, and the first Mac to actually get the drives will be the MacPro, followed by the MBP. I think the next revisions stand a good chance of having a BTO option for Blu-Ray, if not, then the revision after that. Surprisingly, Apple has been slow to adopt this tech.
     
  17. PDiPietro macrumors member

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    As I had always believed when the PS3 originally came out, Blu-Ray was, at that point, at least two years ahead of its time.

    It's still not that necessary, perhaps really still even useless considering that DVDs (including dual-layer) are still fully functional and useful in this day and age, and if it is implemented into Apple machines at any point within the next year or so, it should only be a built-to-order option.

    Why bother having to pay a premium for something that you really don't need yet?
     
  18. clickclickw00t macrumors regular

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    wow that hp laptop is the bee's knees

    if i could run osx on that it would be my new savior

    its literally a macbook pro with a hidef 1900x1200 display and a BR burner, more USB ports (4vs2), 2 ethernet ports, hdmi, dual pointing devices, and a damn sexy design..

    props to HP.


    YEA YEA its $200 more than the 17 inch MBP, but its damn nicer if you ask me. if it ran OSX (legally), the MBP wouldn't even be a competitor
     
  19. FireArse macrumors 6502a

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    This is just my opinion...

    I must admit, when it comes to portables, nothing comes even close to the Powerbooks/MacBook Pro's.

    yum yum

    But seriously, kudos to HP for putting all that into a portable. Not that bad a price either.

    F
     
  20. macjonny1 macrumors 6502a

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    Remember it is a 15.4" screen though....
     

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