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timothyl88

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Anyone have any idea when or if Apple will ever include a blueray drive in the macbook pros?
 
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eaaaasy tiger
 
Optical media will be with us for a couple more decades, at least.

But its popularity won't be so great anymore due transition to digital media and thus Blu-Ray is more or less useless. I find it good only if I get it for free, I wouldn't pay any extra to get it for my iMac. Having it as a BTO option would be fair though, so people who want it could get it
 
But its popularity won't be so great anymore due transition to digital media and thus Blu-Ray is more or less useless.

I suspect you mean "digital downloads" since Blu-ray is digital media. The facts are aligning quite well now. If you want Blu-ray quality by digital download then (1) download speeds in the USA will have to get significantly better (since the USA is the principal market), (2) the Studios have to be willing to provide such content (which they haven't to this point and judging by Jobs' comments from a couple of days ago isn't going to change), and (3) you have to have economical download rates (which are now being capped by several ISPs). Blu-ray Discs are currently the best experience available and that's not going to change anytime soon.

In addition, given the escalating penetration of Blu-ray devices and discs, the Studios will be quite content with their current business plan. They are the ones who will dictate what occurs, not Apple, Microsoft, AT&T, Comcast or anyone else. Without their cooperation, nothing will change.

I find it good only if I get it for free, I wouldn't pay any extra to get it for my iMac. Having it as a BTO option would be fair though, so people who want it could get it

One can already play Blu-ray Disc videos on Macs provided one buys Make MKV and has a cpu of sufficient capabilities (quad core or duo core with hyperthreading).
 
and FYI its a worthless product. optical media is a thing of the past.

Uh huh...

Can you direct me to a mainstream form of HD media that isn't optical, and has the same compression quality? Not to mention the same amount of content? :rolleyes:

Don't link me to Apple HD downloads. They aren't anywhere near the same quality.
 
I suspect you mean "digital downloads" since Blu-ray is digital media. The facts are aligning quite well now. If you want Blu-ray quality by digital download then (1) download speeds in the USA will have to get significantly better (since the USA is the principal market), (2) the Studios have to be willing to provide such content (which they haven't to this point and judging by Jobs' comments from a couple of days ago isn't going to change), and (3) you have to have economical download rates (which are now being capped by several ISPs). Blu-ray Discs are currently the best experience available and that's not going to change anytime soon.

In addition, given the escalating penetration of Blu-ray devices and discs, the Studios will be quite content with their current business plan. They are the ones who will dictate what occurs, not Apple, Microsoft, AT&T, Comcast or anyone else. Without their cooperation, nothing will change.

Not all need nor want the quality of Blu-Ray, some are fine with lower. You can't change the fact that the market of digital downloads is developing all the time. It's a lot easier to click download in iTunes than going into a shop and buying the actual disk. Digital downloads are also cheaper due lack of need for medium i.e. disk.

Apple is already burying optical media because they have iTunes which is great profit. If people go to BestBuy and buy Blu-Rays, Apple won't get any money out of that.

Blu-Ray may provide the best quality but it comes with a price. In here, Blu-Rays are +25€ while downloading in HD from a Finnish site costs only 10€. Let alone the easiness of sitting on couch and pressing buy instead of going to a shop and buying one.

Don't get me wrong, I love Blu-Ray and it's great. I have PS3 as a BR player but the easiness of digital downloads are just deal-breakers. If I want to watch a movie, I want to do it now and not 2 hours later when I've bought the movie.

I doubt Blu-Ray will ever achieve the popularity of e.g. DVD
 
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Mid January 2010: state of the Blu-Ray drives?
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Regarding blu-ray...
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Dear Apple, WHY NO BLU RAY in the new Macs!?!?! ARGH!
What's up with Apple users' infatuation with Blu-ray?
Next-Generation iMac: Quad-Core Processors? No Blu-Ray?
Who cares about Blu-Ray anyway?! Well lets find out.
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Mac and Blu-Ray
Sign that next MBP will have Blu-Ray
Do MacBooks play Blu-Ray disks?
New Mac Pro with blu ray
Could Apple be sued for Anti-competitive practices for not including Blu-ray?
No Blu-ray. No buy. Simple as that.
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Blu-ray!! And another couple of nails in the PPC coffin
MacPro: USB 3.0 and Blu-ray
Why no Blu-ray?
Anyone else waiting for Blu-ray support?
How soon will Blu Ray drives be available for Mac Mini?
MBP with HDMI and Blu-Ray?

Haha, I see you're trying to prove a point, but how long did that take?
 
Whats the fascination with blu-ray drives?

The discs are like $10 a pop. If its the movies you're after, can people even tell the difference between a a blu-ray and a normal dvd on a 17" screen?

It's great for home theater, but for a computer, seems pointless to me. USB thumb drives are cheap, reusable, and don't turn into a $10 coaster when they fail to burn properly.
 
If its the movies you're after, can people even tell the difference between a a blu-ray and a normal dvd on a 17" screen?

If you cannot tell the difference between 480p and 1080p you should really get your eyes checked.

DVD is the thing of the past, I don't recall using my dvd drive after OS install besides, well, watching DVD. Bluray is basically a bigger DVD for cheap distribution of large files (currently only movies). I don't think it's a good idea to wait 3 days just to download a HD movie if you go the digital route.
 
Not all need nor want the quality of Blu-Ray, some are fine with lower.

If that had any bearing on the market then we'd still be watching VHS tapes.

You can't change the fact that the market of digital downloads is developing all the time. It's a lot easier to click download in iTunes than going into a shop and buying the actual disk. Digital downloads are also cheaper due lack of need for medium i.e. disk.

Avatar in 40 MB/s 1080p Blu-ray with DTS-MA high-def audio = US$20.
Avatar in 5 MB/s 720p iTunes with AC3 Dolby Digital = Oops! Not available. You have to buy the crappier 420p less-than-DVD quality for US$15.

This is no contest. Blu-ray wins by a mile (or kilometer).

Apple is already burying optical media because they have iTunes which is great profit. If people go to BestBuy and buy Blu-Rays, Apple won't get any money out of that.

Apple doesn't dictate this market, the Studios do. And they have made it clear what's going to happen. Jobs knows this better than any of us.

Blu-Ray may provide the best quality but it comes with a price. In here, Blu-Rays are +25€ while downloading in HD from a Finnish site costs only 10€. Let alone the easiness of sitting on couch and pressing buy instead of going to a shop and buying one.

There's no doubt that online purchases are attractive, but they're not there yet and won't be for many years to come.

I doubt Blu-Ray will ever achieve the popularity of e.g. DVD

They used to say that about VHS.

Whats the fascination with blu-ray drives? The discs are like $10 a pop.

Not sure where you are, but 25 GB discs are US$1.70. They are great for archival data storage. Certainly better than any hard drive.

If its the movies you're after, can people even tell the difference between a a blu-ray and a normal dvd on a 17" screen?

Yes, quite clearly. Even on my 13" MacBook Air with its 720p-capable display.

It's great for home theater, but for a computer, seems pointless to me.

If you're happy, that's great. But for many of us we want the best possible experience, even on a laptop display.

USB thumb drives are cheap, reusable, and don't turn into a $10 coaster when they fail to burn properly.

But you can't distribute video content on flash devices in an economical manner. Optical media are here for a few decades at least.
 
I gave up and got an external bluray drive and started backing up my movies to hard disk with MakeMKV. I can view them with VLC though some don't play smoothly. Guess my MBP is too old.
 
If you cannot tell the difference between 480p and 1080p you should really get your eyes checked.

DVD is the thing of the past, I don't recall using my dvd drive after OS install besides, well, watching DVD. Bluray is basically a bigger DVD for cheap distribution of large files (currently only movies). I don't think it's a good idea to wait 3 days just to download a HD movie if you go the digital route.

On a large screen, the difference is huge. On a 17" screen viewed from a few feet away, the difference isn't worth the price of admission.

What kind of internet connection do you have where it takes 3 days to download a movie? My cable connection pulls down 1 MB/s most of the time, takes maybe 15 minutes to download a 720p movie.
 
Not sure where you are, but 25 GB discs are US$1.70. They are great for archival data storage. Certainly better than any hard drive.

Where are you finding bd-r media for $1.70?

Even on Amazon, a crappy disc from a no name manufacturer is $5.

The 15 pack of memorex discs for $40 has 11 1-star reviews of people saying discs failed to burn.

No doubt blu-ray media has a lot of space, but the speed/price/reliability doesn't even out. At $5-10 a pop, I don't want even the chance of burning a coaster.
 
A couple more decades??? I don't think so. No wonder you call yourself Caveman. :D

Well, CDs are still in production and they were introduced about 30 years ago. DVDs have been in production for about 15 years and are still made. Blu-rays are the current champion with no suitable replacement on the horizon.

Where are you finding bd-r media for $1.70?

Here you go:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...24&cm_re=blu-ray_media-_-17-607-024-_-Product

No doubt blu-ray media has a lot of space, but the speed/price/reliability doesn't even out. At $5-10 a pop, I don't want even the chance of burning a coaster.

I've never had a Blu-ray disc fail to write using Toast. I've also never had a CD or DVD fail once burned. I've had several hard drives fail, so all my archival files go onto optical media, and that's currently Blu-ray.
 
I've never had a Blu-ray disc fail to write using Toast. I've also never had a CD or DVD fail once burned. I've had several hard drives fail, so all my archival files go onto optical media, and that's currently Blu-ray.

The 25-50gb of space would be great if you could get a 50 pack for $20. Until then, the possibility of having even a $2 coaster, or discs that can only be read on the drive they were burned in won't sway me. :p
 
The 25-50gb of space would be great if you could get a 50 pack for $20. Until then, the possibility of having even a $2 coaster, or discs that can only be read on the drive they were burned in won't sway me. :p

I didn't buy my Blu-ray burner only for burning discs. I also bought it for watching and ripping my Blu-ray Disc videos. No other device can do those two things. And that's worth something to a lot of people, and a lot more as time moves forward.
 
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