Bluetooth 4.2 to Bring Direct Internet Connectivity and Increased Speed

[jmantn]

Do you understand that iOS also has

- Camera Roll to store incoming photos in / serve as a source for outgoing photos

- a Contacts database acting both as an input / output

- etc?

So much for "there's no point in having OBEX" on an OS not supporting direct access to the file system... importing to / exporting from the above system databases would certainly be feasible without a visible filesystem. Too bad iOS doesn't support even this.

With iCloud photo library there is no camera roll.
I'm a computer science major and a stock holder in Apple and have made over six figures investing in this company and I can also say I haven't had to transfer a file to a non iOS device in at least three years with one exception which was for a gig zip and Dropbox was used as it was sent from a PC.

I've also had numerous android phones (prior to them ditching keyboards to make them more iPhone like and afterwards) some of which were flagship phones along with a windows phone and I don't miss spending hours rooting, updating drivers on a custom built PC and troubleshooting all the issues associated with that. I've lost an absurd amount of time troubleshooting, updating, and fixing all those devices and PC's for myself or others and the iPhone has been the best thing IMO. I also realize everyone uses their devices differently so each their own however not many people are CS majors and it's funny seeing those less technically trained/educated tout their love for an OS that behaves about as well as a PC. I've never seen an app brick a phone before until I asked my friend to install an android app and on first load it shut off and wouldn't start back he decided to replace the phone as he didn't have a computer to fix it.

As for a file system I too once wanted a file system for iOS and even had it JB'd to have access however there's literally less than maybe four use examples I'd have for it and within last two years I wouldn't have had a need for it.

Weird you state the Note has better pic quality than the six plus. My understanding from reviews was that it's not and Nokia only has better megapixels and not necessarily better contrast/autofocus/low light performance. I could be remembering an older Nokia but last I read the quality was still better with iPhones overall but u could definitely print out larger images with Nokia.

Figured I'd throw my two cents in and FYI Apple is a part of the Bluetooth organization so it's funny you'd try and slam a company that's helped make BLE and no doubt a part of this new standard as well.

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With NFC-enabled handsets, just bumping the two phones together. (Also works with NFC-enabled Symbian phones like the Nokia 808 when transferring files from the 808 to any other NFC handset. I've never managed to transfer files from my NFC Android handsets (Note4, Nexus7 2013) to my 808's, though.)

Without NFC, a bit more convoluted (much more taps) but still much easier than sending a mail / setting up a common Dropbox account / whatever.

This was something that was possible long before NFC...Bump(app) anyone? Believe that was iPhone years before Android before it was ultimately bought out. You can even bump an older iPhone 5s to an Apple TV to set it up.

 

[Menneisyys2]

As for a file system I too once wanted a file system for iOS and even had it JB'd to have access however there's literally less than maybe four use examples I'd have for it and within last two years I wouldn't have had a need for it.

Again: quick photo or contact transfer has nothing to do with file access. Read my previous posts again.

Weird you state the Note has better pic quality than the six plus. My understanding from reviews was that it's not and Nokia only has better megapixels and not necessarily better contrast/autofocus/low light performance.

In broad daylight, particularly with more static subjects where the iPhone6's autofocus advantage isn't of help, the Nokia 808 delivers orders of magnitude better image quality (particularly better details). It's only when very fast autofocus or OIS is needed that the iPhone6 (Plus WRT OIS) wins.

This was something that was possible long before NFC...Bump(app) anyone? Believe that was iPhone years before Android before it was ultimately bought out. You can even bump an older iPhone 5s to an Apple TV to set it up.

Too bad Sony, Panasonic, Nikon and the other big players don't use these proprietary Apple technologies but stubbornly stick with the standards-compliant NFC... and it's far easier to, say, just bump any NFC-enabled Android phone to, say, a Panasonic or Sony digital camera to quickly start a remote control (or file transfer) section. Instead of wasting at least half a minute in manually setting up a network in both devices. And that's only one excellent and useful use of NFC - which, in the case of remote control / remote viewfinder, has nothing to do with file transfer.

 

[Keirasplace]

I realize that; but it's not too far fetched to think that at some point in the future, bluetooth devices that are capable of connecting directly to the internet will come with built-in cellular radios so that they're "always on" without needing to be paired with a smartphone or be on a Wi-Fi network. If bluetooth devices start getting their own public IP addresses, IPv4 will be maxed out in a hurry.

IPV4 is already "maxed out", only thing that saves it is private address spaces. I could have 10 thousand bluetooth devices with each their address assigned with DHCP behind my router and nobody would be wiser ;-) (the router of course needs to know which is which though) (That would be one hell of a local network... Networked everything).

 

[voxoa]

I guess this is somewhat related. Do a lot of people use airdrop? I do not think I have ever transferred a single file over bluetooth.

I use airdrop like crazy. I even bought a new MacBook (2014) to replace an old MacBook. It's a great feature.

 

[elvisimprsntr]

Things like Apple Continuity (aka Handoff) currently use a combination of BT and wifi. BT provides the Handoff notification between devices, but uses wifi for the actual content. For example, start an email on one device and pick it up on another. You can confirm this yourself. Simply turn off wifi of one of your two devices which have Continuity set up.

BT 4.2 would allow Apple to implement Continuity between previously enabled devices when a wifi connection is not available. For example, in an airport terminal or a hotel which may have IP isolation enabled on their routers. Today, to solve this problem you have to set up an instant hotspot between the two devices, which in many cases requires a extra ($$) cellular data plan. BT 4.2 would solve this use case senecio perfectly. The only question I have is, will BT 4.2 require new chipsets to be fully compliant?

 

[elvisimprsntr]

With NFC-enabled handsets, just bumping the two phones together. (Also works with NFC-enabled Symbian phones like the Nokia 808 when transferring files from the 808 to any other NFC handset. I've never managed to transfer files from my NFC Android handsets (Note4, Nexus7 2013) to my 808's, though.)

Without NFC, a bit more convoluted (much more taps) but still much easier than sending a mail / setting up a common Dropbox account / whatever.

Bumping uglies is something which should be confined to a bedroom between consenting adults. Not with random people you meet on the street. That is how viruses are transmitted.

 

[Tech198]

always room for more speed

New devices on the horizon must be.

 

[Gudi]

I agree. Apple will bring it to the market first but they will cripple it.

It's the other way around. Everyone else will be first to market but they will cripple it, by opening it up for everything including every form of misuse. Than years later Apple will create the exact same service, but this time it just works.

See Pay.

 

[Oletros]

It's the other way around. Everyone else will be first to market but they will cripple it, by opening it up for everything including every form of misuse. Than years later Apple will create the exact same service, but this time it just works.

See Pay.

You missed the sarcasm tag

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I've also had numerous android phones (prior to them ditching keyboards to make them more iPhone like and afterwards) some of which were flagship phones along with a windows phone and I don't miss spending hours rooting, updating drivers on a custom built PC and troubleshooting all the issues associated with that. I've lost an absurd amount of time troubleshooting, updating, and fixing all those devices and PC's for myself or others and the iPhone has been the best thing IMO. I also realize everyone uses their devices differently so each their own however not many people are CS majors and it's funny seeing those less technically trained/educated tout their love for an OS that behaves about as well as a PC. I've never seen an app brick a phone before until I asked my friend to install an android app and on first load it shut off and wouldn't start back he decided to replace the phone as he didn't have a computer to fix it.

Or how to lose all credibility with this nonsense.

 

[Gudi]

You missed the sarcasm tag.

Because there was no sarcasm involved.

Or how to lose all credibility with this nonsense.

Do you have arguments you want to share?

 

[Oletros]

Because there was no sarcasm involved.

Then you're really wrong, but I hoped that you were just joking.

Do you have arguments you want to share?

About an application breaking a smartphone or the nonsense of Android ditching keyboards to resemble more the iPhone or needing a CS to use an Android phone? Or argument about the imaginary friends that always have problems?

Really?

 

[Menneisyys2]

Then you're really wrong, but I hoped that you were just joking.



About an application breaking a smartphone or the nonsense of Android ditching keyboards to resemble more the iPhone or needing a CS to use an Android phone? Or argument about the imaginary friends that always have problems?

Really?

FYI: Gudi is a hardcore Apple enthusiast defending Apple in every possible way & justifying their decisions & spreading BS about competing OS'es. It's pretty pointless to try to argue with him.

I know this becuse I have had several discussions with him.

 

[Gudi]

About an application breaking a smartphone or the nonsense of Android ditching keyboards to resemble more the iPhone or needing a CS to use an Android phone? Or argument about the imaginary friends that always have problems? Really?

So you don't have arguments. That's what I thought.

I know this becuse I have had several discussions with him.

We had only one endless discussion, in which you couldn't understand that there is no viable market for a 17-inch MacBook Pro since the 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro can drive the same number of pixels.

 

[Oletros]

So you don't have arguments. That's what I thought.

Don't project your limitations to others

 

[Verita]

I'm guessing the hardware in the new watch would support it, and maybe the software soon (maybe not at launch).

This would allow to have VOIP voice connection of the watch with Apple devices around, no sweat ;-). Ideally handing off voice connection from one device in the house to another through continuity all over the house . This is much much lower power than WIFI, so maybe you don't need WIFI in your watch after all...

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WIFI is meant for longer distance and you get loads of possible interference. If your on your own channel and the distance between origin and source if not to far, I don't know why WIFI wouldn't work for anything. Its not low power though; it is a big fire-hose of data ;-).

If your blasting a 400Mbs of data... I'm pretty sure your covered for most things.

Would be nice if Wi-Fi was not needed, but I think Apple still uses it for airdrop and continuity. Plus, if you don't have a phone or tablet on you, you can still connect your watch to the mall Wi-Fi, or Starbucks, or your friends house and access the cloud. Not that I would be leaving my phone whenever I went anywhere…

I really hope Bluetooth expands its range to cover a typical sized home. That way, I can leave my phone charging in my office and be connected, maybe even in the yard. Understand that range expansion increases battery usage, but one can hope.

 

[Keirasplace]

Would be nice if Wi-Fi was not needed, but I think Apple still uses it for airdrop and continuity. Plus, if you don't have a phone or tablet on you, you can still connect your watch to the mall Wi-Fi, or Starbucks, or your friends house and access the cloud. Not that I would be leaving my phone whenever I went anywhere…

I really hope Bluetooth expands its range to cover a typical sized home. That way, I can leave my phone charging in my office and be connected, maybe even in the yard. Understand that range expansion increases battery usage, but one can hope.

You wouldn't need to expand range if you had microhubs, say one in each rooms that you connected to that then just relayed traffic between each other (they could connect to a WIFI hub to do so or relay the traffic from one to another with bluetooth). The important would be that the end device uses a low power connection. That would also help the internet of things since those devices also use bluetooth for low power.

If the watch can always use a low power connection, you could connect to the Internet in your home without a router for all low bandwidth applications like email, notifications, maps, basic web browsing (no video). Higher power, higher speed transfers would still use WIFI

 

[ssspinball]

In broad daylight, particularly with more static subjects where the iPhone6's autofocus advantage isn't of help, the Nokia 808 delivers orders of magnitude better image quality (particularly better details). It's only when very fast autofocus or OIS is needed that the iPhone6 (Plus WRT OIS) wins.

Good thing none of us ever takes pictures indoors or on cloudy days with our phones.

You have some rather out of touch opinions that I swear do not jive with about 99.9% of the public.