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I bet we will see this sooner than a year from now. Like next week.

I expect we will see new AirTags announced with this feature.

I expect tech journalists are scouring government EMI regulation and approval databases for products with this feature as we speak
Unlikely. It is mostly standardizing time of flight, which is already supported as a Find My option.

The channel comparison stuff is new, but it appears to require dedicated silicon due to the latency requirements.

Meanwhile, Bluetooth doesn't really have an equivalent solution to UWB (e.g. more accurate distance finding _and_ direction finding with a compact antenna setup)
 
Its the same with Magsafe - only worked on Apple-sanctioned devices, but now we have Qi2 which is the same. In this case, Apple provided Magsafe to be part of Qi2: I wonder if they have provided know-how from FindMy to the BlueTooth consortium too.
People have been doing time of flight with bluetooth for a long time. For instance, there is a flight time check when unlocking a Mac with an Apple Watch.

Most of the feedback Apple would have around Find My to the bluetooth SIG is a desperate need for larger advertising packets. Add another 50 bytes (a tripling) and I guarantee AirTags would work completely differently.

There is effort to standardize tracking tags in IETF, but not the networks or protocols - to standardize aspects of the anti-stalking/abuse provisions across vendors.
 
The next year's iPhones may probably have support for Bluetooth 6.
 
People have been doing time of flight with bluetooth for a long time. For instance, there is a flight time check when unlocking a Mac with an Apple Watch.

Most of the feedback Apple would have around Find My to the bluetooth SIG is a desperate need for larger advertising packets. Add another 50 bytes (a tripling) and I guarantee AirTags would work completely differently.

There is effort to standardize tracking tags in IETF, but not the networks or protocols - to standardize aspects of the anti-stalking/abuse provisions across vendors.
Using an Apple Watch to unlock your mac does use time of flight, but uses 802.11 time of flight, specifically the 802.11v spec. In other words it's using "WiFi" not Bluetooth...
This is why your mac has to have WiFi switched on for Apple Watch unlock to work.

In principle you could use BT time of flight for various purposes but (until now) this wasn't standardized and could be problematic in all the obvious ways (for example do you know how long the processing time is on the other end? and the associated jitter?)
Obviously there are systems that use BT proximity for various purposes (eg Tesla unlock, or various smart lock unlocking). But these all seem to be willing to operate with some slack, ie your Tesla doesn't really care if you are 10m away or 3m away when it detects that you are "close enough" to unlock.

I suspect you are doing the thing people often do where you wave away details by saying something is "in principle" doable, and ignoring the fact that going from "in principle" to actually working robustly, is most of engineering and sometimes very difficult and time consuming.


BTW
802.11v is one of those elements that's part of the 802.11 bundle of specs, but somewhat optional as regards WiFi. Various elements of it are present (or not) in various chipsets. Fortunately the part Apple cares about for watch unlocking, the 802.11v timestamp, was present on the relevant chipsets used by Apple, though other elements of the spec are not.
802.11v and a few other specs are required to make WiFi roaming and mesh systems work optimally, but in the past were not considered relevant by the WiFi alliance, so roaming in the past was one of those things that often did not work well in terms of consumer interoperability. I'm not sure if this has "legally" changed in terms of the support demanded by WiFi 6 and WiFi 7, maybe so given how mesh's have now become so prominent?

You can see some of the details (as relevant to Apple equipment) discussed here:
 
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youre mad at apple cus third parties hadn't invented a widespread precision finding tech yet? All apple can do is add it to their own products which they have...
1)I'm not mad...I'm disappointed.
2)Disappointed how? That Apple, for some reason, has only rolled out this feature to 2 Apple products in over 5 years.
3)I never said anything about "widespread precision"
 
Obviously there are systems that use BT proximity for various purposes (eg Tesla unlock, or various smart lock unlocking). But these all seem to be willing to operate with some slack, ie your Tesla doesn't really care if you are 10m away or 3m away when it detects that you are "close enough" to unlock.

I suspect you are doing the thing people often do where you wave away details by saying something is "in principle" doable, and ignoring the fact that going from "in principle" to actually working robustly, is most of engineering and sometimes very difficult and time consuming.

This is, however, partly the fault of the bluetooth SIG. My understanding is that the channel sounding feature requires additional (separated) antennas and for feature to sit in the chip outside the software stack for hardware-controlled latency, since it is attempting to do frequency offset and signal strength comparisons at different frequencies across the band, and not relying on just accurately timestamped responses. The directional features also require additional antenna. However, it is not made clear whether these are implemented as baseline or optional features. In reality, will they only be used for specialized hardware and as part of specialized deployments like commercial/industrial settings?

This is the org that will "standardize" an audio system which is only supported by a proprietary codec requiring commercial patent licensing.

"Find My" functionality also requires a lot more than just bluetooth, and so far every ecosystem has been proprietary/closed and patent-encumbered. Bluetooth isn't standardizing "Find My" functionality but instead marketing that these ecosystems "could" adopt channel sounding and directional features over time in new hardware. It appears that Samsung thinks this could be interesting, and the Chinese connected car consortiums (plural) are evaluating it as well.

BTW
802.11v is one of those elements that's part of the 802.11 bundle of specs, but somewhat optional as regards WiFi. Various elements of it are present (or not) in various chipsets. Fortunately the part Apple cares about for watch unlocking, the 802.11v timestamp, was present on the relevant chipsets used by Apple, though other elements of the spec are not.
Yes, these standards groups are a good place to create interoperable extensions, but they really shouldn't be creating extensions when there aren't sufficient member companies excited about implementing them.

Thank you for pointing out that this is a 802.11 feature and not a Bluetooth feature! I was not aware Apple was using 802.11v there.

802.11v and a few other specs are required to make WiFi roaming and mesh systems work optimally, but in the past were not considered relevant by the WiFi alliance, so roaming in the past was one of those things that often did not work well in terms of consumer interoperability. I'm not sure if this has "legally" changed in terms of the support demanded by WiFi 6 and WiFi 7, maybe so given how mesh's have now become so prominent?
The WiFi Alliance kinda does things right, because they have a proper firewall between the 802.11 specs (in IEEE) and the marketing of WiFi as a brand. There isn't motivation to say "WiFi 7 means that it could maybe support a subset of 802.11v because ooh neat features over there". The certification is instead about specific required features which are defined over on the IEEE side, and that predictability makes WiFi a reliable brand purchasing-wise

This is also the sort of separation that Intel has between Thunderbolt 5 and the USB-IF and USB4, perhaps a more ideal example because the USB-IF _does_ try to market USB as a certification and licensed brand itself, and has had decades of challenges in doing so.

Since this is an Apple forum, it is worth pointing out that sometime around when the first charging spec for USB-A deviated from iPod/iPhone/iPad charging and became part of certification, Apple has distanced themselves from the USB marketing brand and has (AFAIK) not gotten products USB certified. Today sell "Charging" cables with USB-C connectors but no real markings, as well as "Thunderbolt" cables - where the Thunderbolt cables are indeed properly certified and labelled.

A third "separated" example which has developed is AMD FreeSync, which mandates monitors have specific useful and marketable capabilities. Having a mark to shoot for has helped uptake on these features and consumer confidence that they will actually be able to use the hardware the way they expect. Having it be by a separate organization lets certification be for both HDMI and DisplayPort functionality.
 
1)I'm not mad...I'm disappointed.
2)Disappointed how? That Apple, for some reason, has only rolled out this feature to 2 Apple products in over 5 years.
3)I never said anything about "widespread precision"
U1 or U2 is present in, at least
- every iPhone since iPhone 11 (maybe not SE variants?)
- every watch since watch 6 (again maybe not SE variants?)
- HomePod mini and 2nd gen
- AirPods Pro 2nd gen charging case
- AirTags

I would agree that this list is very strange in the sense that, to me, it's a no-brainer to also include UWB in, at least, every iPad, every MacBook, and the Vision Pro. (And why HomePod but not Apple TV, or the aTV Remote? Or the Apple pencil?)

But it is a substantially larger list than just "2 Apple products".
 
Hi you all seem like Bluetooth experts here. Not sure if this is the place to ask but I couldn’t find a thread about this. I’m on 16 pro and lately on public places I started seeing random devices actually saying “connected” on my control center. When I go to Bluetooth under settings though, the device may or may not shown. Is this a security concern? I don’t see a pop up saying any device is trying to connect though. Can some devices connect ours without seeing this pop up?
 
Haven't seen that behavior, but yes with modern bluetooth you don't have to have pairing listed in bluetooth settings to talk to something. For example, you don't see AirTags listed in bluetooth settings.

There are a few reasons for this. One is that bluetooth low energy (BLE) has cheap and easy advertisements, messages periodically broadcast out into the world. An advertisement is how a lot of devices like home IoT devices let you know they are near and on and also how they share periodic updates to their status (such as current temperature and humidity). It is how things like ibeacons can be used to share location in challenging areas for GPS like subway stations.

Out in public, a lot of these advertisements take extra privacy steps. For example, a device might periodically broadcast an encrypted message saying that they are present. This is how your devices know your AirTag is present, and your phone broadcasting these is how your AirTag knows that _you_ are present (so that it doesn't go into a "I'm lost" mode, and others don't get warnings that an unknown tag is traveling with them).

The second thing is that bluetooth might be used to set up a higher bandwidth connection. For example, airdrop broadcasts an encrypted message out, where your own devices and people on your contact list have had the key shared. That lets you show up as being a potential airdrop target even without the 'phone to phone tap'. Once you select airdrop, it uses the information in the bluetooth advertisements to set up an ad-hoc wifi connection between the two devices.
 
The iPhone 420 Pro Max could have Bluetooth 69, and it still would only support SBC and AAC bluetooth codecs. Quite a shame really.
 
Haven't seen that behavior, but yes with modern bluetooth you don't have to have pairing listed in bluetooth settings to talk to something. For example, you don't see AirTags listed in bluetooth settings.

There are a few reasons for this. One is that bluetooth low energy (BLE) has cheap and easy advertisements, messages periodically broadcast out into the world. An advertisement is how a lot of devices like home IoT devices let you know they are near and on and also how they share periodic updates to their status (such as current temperature and humidity). It is how things like ibeacons can be used to share location in challenging areas for GPS like subway stations.

Out in public, a lot of these advertisements take extra privacy steps. For example, a device might periodically broadcast an encrypted message saying that they are present. This is how your devices know your AirTag is present, and your phone broadcasting these is how your AirTag knows that _you_ are present (so that it doesn't go into a "I'm lost" mode, and others don't get warnings that an unknown tag is traveling with them).

The second thing is that bluetooth might be used to set up a higher bandwidth connection. For example, airdrop broadcasts an encrypted message out, where your own devices and people on your contact list have had the key shared. That lets you show up as being a potential airdrop target even without the 'phone to phone tap'. Once you select airdrop, it uses the information in the bluetooth advertisements to set up an ad-hoc wifi connection between the two devices.
Thank you. I kind of understand what you tried to say here. I have airdrop receiving turned off by the way. I guess what I’m trying to understand is that if it’s a security concern when a device that doesn’t belong to me is showing connected in control center.
 
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