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Bluetooth Enabled PowerMacs and Portables?
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Re: what about "new" pb G4s?
I don't mean to be rude, so please don't take this the wrong way.
technology doesn't wait for anyone! saying stuff like that is just stupid! Apple might be nice enough to offer an upgrade, it could be free but i doubt it will, maybe at a special price? correct me if I'm wrong remember when the combo drive for the TiPB came out? didn't cost something around $ 300 to upgrade? older TiPBs without the combo drive? if it's a simple add on, like a card or something, then they might offer it at a special price for people who bought products after a certain date, but don't hold your breath.
if really want/need bluetooth to be built in, then if you can why not just cancel the order and wait till the announcement? see what happens, if they do announce something new the order it but be prepared to wait longer to get it, usually stuff doesn't ship as soon as they announce it, if they don't announce anything you won't lose a thing! but remember apple said that expos/keynotes aren't going to be the time they announce new products so if they announce something new after the expo, don't get mad, technology doesn't wait for anyone, and if you keep waiting for the newer version you will probably not buy anything... the best thing to do is just set a date of when you want to be something, like when you need to buy or you think you need to upgrade, I still have my pismo and i use it everyday, I'm not going to buy anything till maybe mid 2003 to early 2004 depends on if i have enough money, or you could just say I'm not going to buy a new machine till Apple upgrades it 3 times or something...
again please don't take this the wrong way!
THANK YOU
MaT
I don't mean to be rude, so please don't take this the wrong way.
technology doesn't wait for anyone! saying stuff like that is just stupid! Apple might be nice enough to offer an upgrade, it could be free but i doubt it will, maybe at a special price? correct me if I'm wrong remember when the combo drive for the TiPB came out? didn't cost something around $ 300 to upgrade? older TiPBs without the combo drive? if it's a simple add on, like a card or something, then they might offer it at a special price for people who bought products after a certain date, but don't hold your breath.
if really want/need bluetooth to be built in, then if you can why not just cancel the order and wait till the announcement? see what happens, if they do announce something new the order it but be prepared to wait longer to get it, usually stuff doesn't ship as soon as they announce it, if they don't announce anything you won't lose a thing! but remember apple said that expos/keynotes aren't going to be the time they announce new products so if they announce something new after the expo, don't get mad, technology doesn't wait for anyone, and if you keep waiting for the newer version you will probably not buy anything... the best thing to do is just set a date of when you want to be something, like when you need to buy or you think you need to upgrade, I still have my pismo and i use it everyday, I'm not going to buy anything till maybe mid 2003 to early 2004 depends on if i have enough money, or you could just say I'm not going to buy a new machine till Apple upgrades it 3 times or something...
again please don't take this the wrong way!
THANK YOU
MaT
It is not uncommon to make a realese decision just minutes before a keynote. That have been the case since way back since the beginnig of the personal computer era. I got in to the business of computers as a proffesional 1985 and I have seen many products that were ready for realese and was hold back in the very last minutes for different reasons. Therefore. Nothing is 100% sure until a company like Apple realese a product officialy. Many things could happen along the way that forces them to cut products that maight be ready. In general Steve has a couple of different keynotes ready depending on the decisions made just before official announcements.
The one product, or maybe I should say the combination of products in the pipeline right now, will be realesed if all conditions can be met.
The public have to wait and see. I personally have waited 2 years for this to happend and it surley seem that it finally is time. I am very pleased with the progress so far.
The one product, or maybe I should say the combination of products in the pipeline right now, will be realesed if all conditions can be met.
The public have to wait and see. I personally have waited 2 years for this to happend and it surley seem that it finally is time. I am very pleased with the progress so far.
gotohamish
macrumors 65816
robbieduncan
Moderator emeritus
Re: Re: Damn It
I got mine from eBay. The same people (it's a company) are selling lots more :eBay Auctions
Or you can buy straight from them here Talboom
I think they are based in Germany (that's where mine came from), but ship very quickly (think 2-3 days). Adaptor is brand new, boxed with windows drivers. OSX (10.2.2 here) does not need drivers.
Whether it is worth it is kind of dependant on whether you have any other BlueTooth devices. I've just got a T68i, so for me, yes it's well worth it.
p.s. I don't have anything to do with the above site. I just bought 1 adaptor from them and all was well.
I got mine from eBay. The same people (it's a company) are selling lots more :eBay Auctions
Or you can buy straight from them here Talboom
I think they are based in Germany (that's where mine came from), but ship very quickly (think 2-3 days). Adaptor is brand new, boxed with windows drivers. OSX (10.2.2 here) does not need drivers.
Whether it is worth it is kind of dependant on whether you have any other BlueTooth devices. I've just got a T68i, so for me, yes it's well worth it.
p.s. I don't have anything to do with the above site. I just bought 1 adaptor from them and all was well.
gotohamish
macrumors 65816
Re: Re: Re: Damn It
Thanks for that - I've bookmarked the site and might get one soon.
I'm going to Tokyo next month so will try to get the sony one if I can (the smallest external one in the world - the bit that sticks out is smalled than the USB bit!).
Cheers for the help, have a great Christmas.Picture is here...
Thanks for that - I've bookmarked the site and might get one soon.
I'm going to Tokyo next month so will try to get the sony one if I can (the smallest external one in the world - the bit that sticks out is smalled than the USB bit!).
Cheers for the help, have a great Christmas.Picture is here...
Frobozz
macrumors 65816
OMG, either you're a good huckster or good at keeping me on the edge of my seat. Crap, man. I GOTTA know. I'm not in the market for a new machine right now, but a G5 would be nice... and has been on the table for about 2 years... and would make sense for those over-cooled mirror doored hacks they put out in September.
" OMG, either you're a good huckster or good at keeping me on the edge of my seat. Crap, man. I GOTTA know. I'm not in the market for a new machine right now, but a G5 would be nice... and has been on the table for about 2 years... "
Well. Let me put it this way. It's something much bigger than a new CPU. You to can figure it out.
Just combine ceartin industri events that happened in the last 8 month and you too will see what's behind the curtin.
Well. Let me put it this way. It's something much bigger than a new CPU. You to can figure it out.
Just combine ceartin industri events that happened in the last 8 month and you too will see what's behind the curtin.
geeze...
are we talking MERGER?
there's major industry events every 3 months... be more specific orackle...
Apple purchased major music and special effects players... and nothing has really come about from that.
are we talking MERGER?
there's major industry events every 3 months... be more specific orackle...
Apple purchased major music and special effects players... and nothing has really come about from that.
In response to Orakle's remarks
A little speculation could be fun here. ...past 8 months, huh?
Rendezvous + TCP/IP over Firewire + Firewire 2 + Unix = clustered computing (a.k.a. Junkyard). Use those older computer's unused cycles (OK, that doesn't work with Firewire 2 without an upgrade, but at least through Firewire 1 or Ethernet).
Second guess. Inkwell = Pen sensitive screens. iMac's with tablet like screens that can also rotate 90° into portrait format. Portables too, maybe. Put it in at least some of the new LCD screen line from Apple that is now long overdue.
The usual suspects: iPhone + bluetooth (ahh, relevance to the original thread).
Anyone else want to join in on the speculation? This is fun. Granted that this is also my wishlist, which may be swaying my reasoning abilities. 😀
A little speculation could be fun here. ...past 8 months, huh?
Rendezvous + TCP/IP over Firewire + Firewire 2 + Unix = clustered computing (a.k.a. Junkyard). Use those older computer's unused cycles (OK, that doesn't work with Firewire 2 without an upgrade, but at least through Firewire 1 or Ethernet).
Second guess. Inkwell = Pen sensitive screens. iMac's with tablet like screens that can also rotate 90° into portrait format. Portables too, maybe. Put it in at least some of the new LCD screen line from Apple that is now long overdue.
The usual suspects: iPhone + bluetooth (ahh, relevance to the original thread).
Anyone else want to join in on the speculation? This is fun. Granted that this is also my wishlist, which may be swaying my reasoning abilities. 😀
lmalave
macrumors 68000
Hmmm...are we talking digital hub products? I have a feeling Rendezvous is going to come up huge for Apple soon. Rendezvous over 801.11b is cool enough, and if they enable Rendezvous over Bluetooth that would be amazing. Perhaps the different digital devices that have been discussed in these forums will actuall come to fruition: set-top box, phone/PDA, etc., all Rendezvous enabled. Far fetched? Hey, man, it was Jobs himself that said that 2003 was the most important year for apple ever. Perhaps, buoyed by the success of the iPod, Apple is going to aggressively expand beyond the PC to become a premier consumer electronics company like Sony. Think about it. With a few hit products they could make more money than they ever did with computers, and if anything it would also serve to strengthen their computer market share by raising the profile of the Apple brand worldwide...
Ok we need a member, a lurker and a Demi-God.
Cook a Venezuelan Christmas Duck recipe, take the result and mix it up in a blender and pour it into two mugs.
You must bind the newbies feet so they will fit into the mugs, the liquid will then sink through the pores and make it's way through the bloodstream and act like a truth serum.
But remember you must chant 'The power of arn compels you, the power of arn compels you' otherwise it won't work.
Cook a Venezuelan Christmas Duck recipe, take the result and mix it up in a blender and pour it into two mugs.
You must bind the newbies feet so they will fit into the mugs, the liquid will then sink through the pores and make it's way through the bloodstream and act like a truth serum.
But remember you must chant 'The power of arn compels you, the power of arn compels you' otherwise it won't work.
had a random thought
It occured to me that a probable new feature to the powerbooks besides bluetooth would be a small camera on the lcd screen frame to go with the new video enabled Ichat update in the near future...........do ya think?
It occured to me that a probable new feature to the powerbooks besides bluetooth would be a small camera on the lcd screen frame to go with the new video enabled Ichat update in the near future...........do ya think?
Re: Re: bluetooth/802.11
Incorrect. There are 11 "channels" (specifically for 802.11b; other technologies will not be using the same channel designations), but they overlap. You can have at most three completely non-overlapping 802.11b channels (1, 6, 11), or four only partially-overlapping channels (leading to a 10-20% performance loss). Any more than that and your cross-channel interference is too great to be useful.
802.11b is a fixed-frequency standard, so you can set it up to use an unoccupied frequency and not have any problems. Until something else decides to use that frequency range, of course.
The problem comes when you mix fixed-frequency and frequency-hopping devices in the same frequency range. IIRC, most 2.4GHz phones are frequency-hopping. Bluetooth is also frequency-hopping. Frequency-hopping is great for the "hopping" transmission as they get to "choose" the best specific frequency based on the conditions of the moment, but they can also land in another devices' frequency and decide that that range is "clean" enough for them, even though it decimates the other device's frequency range.
In my experience, Bluetooth and 2.4GHz phones can cause sporadic and potentially devastating (meaning connection-ending, not world-ending) blackouts of 802.11b networks. Newer WiFi devices are more resilient to such outages, but a year and a half ago most devices on the market could be brought to their knees by an operating microwave oven! In general, most reports on Bluetooth/802.11b say that current 802.11b devices will degrade in performance in the presence of Bluetooth, but that the connection is almost always kept, and that most home users would not even notice it happening.
Most experts suggest that you can keep both BlueTooth and WiFi functioning fairly well by keeping the antennae physically seperated by 2-3 feet, usually by having one device on a USB line a bit away from your box and the other at your CPU. This doesn't bode well for laptop users, of course, where most often the WiFi and BlueTooth dongles are jutting out right next to one another.
Now, were Apple to integrate WiFi and Bluetooth on one machine, they might be able to prohibit the Bluetooth controller from hopping into the WiFi receiver's frequency range. I don't know enough about how the frequency hopping is implemented to say if this is possible, but it would be an elegant solution.
Links:
http://forums.80211-planet.com/showthread.php?threadid=400
http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/columnists/2002/0429kistner.html
http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/PcHardware/Networking/Networking_WirelessG.shtml
Incorrect. There are 11 "channels" (specifically for 802.11b; other technologies will not be using the same channel designations), but they overlap. You can have at most three completely non-overlapping 802.11b channels (1, 6, 11), or four only partially-overlapping channels (leading to a 10-20% performance loss). Any more than that and your cross-channel interference is too great to be useful.
802.11b is a fixed-frequency standard, so you can set it up to use an unoccupied frequency and not have any problems. Until something else decides to use that frequency range, of course.
The problem comes when you mix fixed-frequency and frequency-hopping devices in the same frequency range. IIRC, most 2.4GHz phones are frequency-hopping. Bluetooth is also frequency-hopping. Frequency-hopping is great for the "hopping" transmission as they get to "choose" the best specific frequency based on the conditions of the moment, but they can also land in another devices' frequency and decide that that range is "clean" enough for them, even though it decimates the other device's frequency range.
In my experience, Bluetooth and 2.4GHz phones can cause sporadic and potentially devastating (meaning connection-ending, not world-ending) blackouts of 802.11b networks. Newer WiFi devices are more resilient to such outages, but a year and a half ago most devices on the market could be brought to their knees by an operating microwave oven! In general, most reports on Bluetooth/802.11b say that current 802.11b devices will degrade in performance in the presence of Bluetooth, but that the connection is almost always kept, and that most home users would not even notice it happening.
Most experts suggest that you can keep both BlueTooth and WiFi functioning fairly well by keeping the antennae physically seperated by 2-3 feet, usually by having one device on a USB line a bit away from your box and the other at your CPU. This doesn't bode well for laptop users, of course, where most often the WiFi and BlueTooth dongles are jutting out right next to one another.
Now, were Apple to integrate WiFi and Bluetooth on one machine, they might be able to prohibit the Bluetooth controller from hopping into the WiFi receiver's frequency range. I don't know enough about how the frequency hopping is implemented to say if this is possible, but it would be an elegant solution.
Links:
http://forums.80211-planet.com/showthread.php?threadid=400
http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/columnists/2002/0429kistner.html
http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/PcHardware/Networking/Networking_WirelessG.shtml
Over Achiever
macrumors 68000
These rumors are probably refering to the aggressive fan controller...many who have bought the powerbook when it was released had a problem with the right fan coming on constantly with light work, and staying on. Some even say that is was loud.
Here is a thread from MacNN which discusses the fan controller.
So I'm sorry, I'd be surprised if it included bluetooth. 🙁
speculation
Let's assume orakle's not taunting. (It is the holiday season, after all.) Something huge which combines products and would be quite Apple.
Handheld PDA/MP3/cell phone w/color write-on screen for videoconferencing, all of which works wirelessly via Bluetooth?
Or would this be too bulky?
Any thoughts?
Also, just want to say I've been strictly a Mac owner since 1986 and replaced my PC at work with a Mac at my own expense. Only since Jaguar have I been this pro-Mac and optimistic.
Thanks!
Let's assume orakle's not taunting. (It is the holiday season, after all.) Something huge which combines products and would be quite Apple.
Handheld PDA/MP3/cell phone w/color write-on screen for videoconferencing, all of which works wirelessly via Bluetooth?
Or would this be too bulky?
Any thoughts?
Also, just want to say I've been strictly a Mac owner since 1986 and replaced my PC at work with a Mac at my own expense. Only since Jaguar have I been this pro-Mac and optimistic.
Thanks!
chewbaccapits
macrumors 6502a
Do you speak Orakle?
Has to be a ...what do you call those...Oh, um....damn lost the name......The whatchamacallit........What do you call that thing that steve refered to....Oh.....Um....Errrr....Yes, that thingy...that can...Wait, no, can't say, oh,man ...Well ....Uh......OG....OG....OGOGOGOGOG.....
Has to be a ...what do you call those...Oh, um....damn lost the name......The whatchamacallit........What do you call that thing that steve refered to....Oh.....Um....Errrr....Yes, that thingy...that can...Wait, no, can't say, oh,man ...Well ....Uh......OG....OG....OGOGOGOGOG.....
Well... not all of you are completely lost. Some comments are at least not so far away...
We will all be able to see the results during 2003 but I agree with Steve that this will defenetly be the turning point for Apple. A new era begins and Apple is, as usual, first on the field.
We will all be able to see the results during 2003 but I agree with Steve that this will defenetly be the turning point for Apple. A new era begins and Apple is, as usual, first on the field.
robbieduncan
Moderator emeritus
Re: speculation
Sounds like the soon to be released SE P800 (although I don't think that it can do the video conferencing as the camera is on the back of the phone).
Sounds like the soon to be released SE P800 (although I don't think that it can do the video conferencing as the camera is on the back of the phone).
dsaponaro
macrumors regular
Give me a break
Orakle you are so full of ****. I cant believe anyone is actually humoring you with responses. Im as hopeful as the next mac head but sometimes people want something so bad they become blind. As much as I hope apple WOWs us in a few weeks I just am finding all that orakle is spewing a bit hard to swallow. If Im wrong I challenge him to put up or shut up.
Sorry if this post seems a bit strong minded, Its just my opinion and everyones entightled to there own. So if anyone dissagrees with me...please post away.
cheers all,
dsaponaro@mac.com
Orakle you are so full of ****. I cant believe anyone is actually humoring you with responses. Im as hopeful as the next mac head but sometimes people want something so bad they become blind. As much as I hope apple WOWs us in a few weeks I just am finding all that orakle is spewing a bit hard to swallow. If Im wrong I challenge him to put up or shut up.
Sorry if this post seems a bit strong minded, Its just my opinion and everyones entightled to there own. So if anyone dissagrees with me...please post away.
cheers all,
dsaponaro@mac.com
dsaponaro
macrumors regular
Now that Ive ranted a bit...boy o boy do I want apple to release the mother of all cellphones (or some other insanely great digital lifestyle device)
dsaponaro@mac.com
dsaponaro@mac.com
To understand is not to be able to figure out what Apple will show us in january. It is to figure out the need which will be solved.