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These is sounding familiar when Mac OS X Maverick came out everyone was expecting older iMacs and Macbook to have Airplay Display working but later they found out nope only 2011 and newer Macs. Also it does get annoying when Mac is no older than 3 - 4 years working but not all features work with new OS because of lack of hardware.

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Time to upgrade people!


Could I have your credit info:rolleyes:
 
There's no reason it wouldn't work.. The BT support is hardware dependent; as long as the right hardware is there, the drivers will support it.

The trick is getting the right card -- after that, it's not even a particularly hard device swap. A few screws, a few sticky connectors, and a few wires later you'll have it swapped out.

If I still had my 2011 17" MBP, I'd be doing it in a heartbeat. If it takes anyone longer than 30 minutes, you're probably doing it wrong.

i think you guys are massively overthinking this - its probably locked out via a machine check rather than a hardware issue. trick your machine into thinking its a newer mac, it will probably work. that's how the hackintosh crowd gets around most of this stuff.

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Again, Apple doesn't have a history of blatantly leaving out older devices without a concrete reason.

you're kidding, right?
 
i think you guys are massively overthinking this - its probably locked out via a machine check rather than a hardware issue. trick your machine into thinking its a newer mac, it will probably work. that's how the hackintosh crowd gets around most of this stuff.

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you're kidding, right?


No I'm not. Can you list some examples?
 
you're kidding, right?

Actually it's true. Almost all such cases are situations where the hardware won't support a feature (like because it requires BT LE or a wifi chipset that can handle multiple connections at the same time or a graphics chip with certain features, etc.) or where while the hardware either supports it or such support isn't required, the experience would be bad for other reasons like the machine's CPU performance.

(Or, in the case of TRIM, because an interoperability bug can and will lead to irrevocable data loss and that is not a can of worms Apple wants to open; so they only enable it with devices known to work well.)
 
i think you guys are massively overthinking this - its probably locked out via a machine check rather than a hardware issue. trick your machine into thinking its a newer mac, it will probably work. that's how the hackintosh crowd gets around most of this stuff.


Nope. Put a new bt card that supports 4.0 in and it'll work. Not hard/expensive.
 
I have no problem with apple leaving my 2011 imac behind with this update, as long as there is a technical reason that can't be readily solved.

With a usb bluetooth 4.0 dongle, and direct wifi already supported (like airdrop in mavericks is currently), I don't understand if there is any technical reason to not allow handoff.

Hopefully apple will explain if there is, or if not let us use usb/thunderbolt to upgrade as needed to allow full Yoesemite support.
 
im talking about people who dont have that option, ie people trying to add bluetooth 4.0 dongles

It's not enough to stick the USB dongle in and check system preferences...

You have to tell OSX to use the external Bluetooth dongle as the main device. This is done in Terminal via the command:

sudo nvram bluetoothHostControllerSwitchBehavior="always"


Pretty sure that's what that command is for....
 
Okay...

Not everyone can afford to buy a new Apple computer every two years you know...

Then get a better job. Apple makes stuff for people who buy and use the latest technology, not for people looking to get the most usage out of their older machines.
 
The iPad 2 not getting Siri when the iPad mini got it with identical specs.

original ipad getting locked out of iOS 6 despite having better specs than the 3GS which did get iOS6

owners of 32-bit EFI macs locked out of OSes newer than 10.7. User community has since come up with several solutions which enable 10.8+ on those machines.

poor mac pro 1,1 and 2,1 owners who ever tried to update, anything really.

fusion drive support in older macs

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Not everyone can afford to buy a new Apple computer every two years you know...

Then get a better job. Apple makes stuff for people who buy and use the latest technology, not for people looking to get the most usage out of their older machines.


congratulations on winning most offensive post of the day award. here's your copy of Mitt Romney's new book and an american flag snuggy to wrap yourself in.
 
Then get a better job. Apple makes stuff for people who buy and use the latest technology, not for people looking to get the most usage out of their older machines.

That's stupid. I have a great job as a teacher but don't make enough to buy a new Mac every two years. Apple absolutely makes fantastic machines that last several years and this is a major reason so many people have switched to macs. I have no problem with missing out on features that my hardware can't support but don't go around telling people to "get a better job". That's ridiculously ignorant. You don't know crap if you believe what you said.
 
Well,, that's a few questions already answered from before about third party Bluetooth LE adapters :)

By the same token, Apple has done themselves in with this one.

They make 10.10 to work on as many intel based-Macs as possible, but then restrict it because of hardware..

"yes you can use 10.10, but not all features may work, depending on the Mac you have."

same thing with iOS...

Apple is the only company i know that does that... Kind of deceiving kind of way, because users expect to be able to you ALL features, but due to hardware limitation they can not, thus, Apple gets more money because of hardware upgrades to support all features in the current OS/iOS.

I guess this just all works to their advantage.
 
Then buy a new one. In this example, the machine is four years old. Why bother supporting EVERY new feature on a four-year-old piece of hardware?

because ultimately, there's no real difference from those machines to the newer ones. If we were talking about a difference between powerPC and intel, it would make sense... but hey, it's still the same DDR3 memory. its still the same i-Series family of CPUs. chipsets that are improvements, not complete changes, from older machines. graphics cards that support a slightly newer version of OpenGL. bluetooth 4.0 instead of 2.1.

for a company that likes to toot their "green" horn so much, they've really managed to convince people their expensive computers should be thrown in the landfill after a minimal amount of time.

feel free to keep buying the new stuff. for the rest of us, some of us buy Apple technology because we actually use it to do things, rather than bragging about new expensive machines thinking it makes you superior.
 
Geez, Apple kept all its jerk moves for after WWDC it seems, we're just getting all of them in one shot today.

My 2011 13-inch MBP isn't supported then, but I'm not really surprised, nor peeved. If I were a Mac Pro owner with a $4k dual-chip setup that's less than two years old tho, I'd probably swear Apple off for a short while (and then give in again).
 
Apple not implementing new features on all possible macs that could support it? This has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!:eek:

Uh huh. It appears people have little faith in the hacking community and poor memories of apples recent and long-term history. Apple tends to cut off when the user experience gets below a certain threshold to protect itself from consumers who complain about everything.

If only there was a way to protect it from people who complain about products that aren't even launched...
 
So everyone has to go out and by an up to date mac? Seems to me this idea of limiting new s/w features due to h/w (when it doesn't have to) is a dangerous game apple is playing. It will put people off the brand.

Yes, everyone who has older mac, is now forced to go buy a new model. Everyone who doesn't have a mac already, is also forced at gunpoint to buy TWO new macs. It sucks that we're forced to do so much for Apple, but there's not much we can do.

Or is there? Is it possible that it's just our imagination that we're being forced to do something and we could actually have mind of our own, and could decide what to do? Like - I know this is radical - NOT upgrade your mac?
 
original ipad getting locked out of iOS 6 despite having better specs than the 3GS which did get iOS6

Yes, the iPad was clocked faster than the iPhone 3GS, but it still had the same CPU and GPU but had 400% more pixels to push compared to the iPhone 3GS.

The iPad 1 struggled to run iOS 4 and iOS 5. Yes, it was killed early, but that is because the hardware just wasn't that great.

iPhone 3GS, Cortex-A8 @ 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX535, 256MB RAM, 480x320 = 153,600 pixels
iPad 1, Cortex-A8 @ 1000 MHz, PowerVR SGX535, 256MB RAM, 1024x768 = 786,432 pixels
 
It is possible just replace the AirPort / Wireless card with a newer version that support AC and Bluetooth 4.0 LE?

I have a Macbook Aluminum Late 2008

Update: It is impossible. I just visit iFixIt and it is not mini PCIe Wireless Card, it is an proprietary connector. And it is located on the display assembly (below clutch cover).
 
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Then buy a new one. In this example, the machine is four years old. Why bother supporting EVERY new feature on a four-year-old piece of hardware?

Because in Windows world, 4 years old technology still able to run Windows 8 perfectly and not losing major features being advertised.

Apple need to do a fine print on what machine eligible for hand off, otherwise they gonna face up roar from community when they noticing hand of isn't work properly.
 
I know Apple is in the business of selling computers, but I don't see this is a sole reason to upgrade machines. Maybe a slight reason, but still nice try Tim Cook.

I know right. How dare he try to sell us new hardwares. They should copy the excellent post-sales support from Samsung/ Asus/ Acer/ Sony :rolleyes:
 
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