Bluetooth Replacement From Nokia?

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Nokia has developed a potential successor to Bluetooth dubbed Wibree. Separating this technology from other potential, but more developed technologies (ZigBee) is its interoperability with existing Bluetooth radios, making cheap dual-mode devices a possibility.

    While Bluetooth's power requirements are far less than other wireless protocols such as WiFi/802.11, some deem it still too high for some applications. According to MacWorld, the technology is capable of delivering 10 Mbps data transfers at up to 10 meters, however this may be in doubt as the technology's website cites "physical layer bit rate of 1 Mbps."

    Apple currently uses Bluetooth for communication with its wirless keyboard and wireless Mighty Mouse, as well as communication with mobile phones via iSync.

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  2. ppc_michael Guest


    Apr 26, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    1 Mbps? Meh. Although that would be pretty great for mice/keyboards. Bluetooth is so expensive. :(
  3. twoodcc macrumors P6


    Feb 3, 2005
    Right side of wrong
    i really don't think bluetooth is going anywhere
  4. Josias macrumors 68000


    Mar 10, 2006
    Bluetooth 2.0 with Enchanced Data Rate gives you 3 mbps (I know that is just a figure, but...)

    This doesn't sound like great news. It doesn't have longer range. It seems to be faster and if I'm not misunderstood, it consumes less power. Wibree sounds really dumb. Bluetooth sounds way cooler.:D
  5. ssamani macrumors member

    Nov 20, 2002
  6. poppe macrumors 68020


    Apr 29, 2006
    Woodland Hills
    bluetooth is pretty nice for keyboards and mice, but other than that all the other products I've seen and used don't work all that great. Specailly head sets for cell phones... All the ones I have tried are always receiving interferences and become scratchy/static like. I'm down with advancements.
  7. BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    I like the name "Bluetooth". I makes me laugh when I hear it.
  8. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    So...wibree and the principle requirement of the new standard that it have a retarded name? :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

    And arrrrgh... yarrrr... I like the name Bluetooth also. It was even better four years ago, when I got my first BT headset, and no one ahd even heard of it. Yarrrrghhh!!! :)
  9. sbrhwkp3 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 17, 2005
    Lake George, NY
    I like Bluetooth. It lets me transfer songs from iTunes as ringtones for my phone wirelessly, plus pictures and videos too. But if this works better then bring it on. I don't care about the name. As long as it works.
  10. Eduardo1971 macrumors 65816


    Jun 16, 2006
    Lost Angeles, Ca. usa
    Agreed. I too, love Bluetooth on my Sony Ericcson W600i phone. I am able to easily transfer photos and music on it. As long as something works.
  11. Coheebuzz macrumors 6502

    Oct 10, 2005
    Nicosia, Cyprus
    I use Bluetooth to transfer small files to my different computers on the fly, so any bandwidth increase is welcome.

    But the thing i hate with Bluetooth is the poor reception when there are obstacles around - sometimes it's impossible for my G5 which is placed under the desk to communicate with my laptop which is on top on the desk and i have to lift my legs up so the signal can get through!

    Thats really primitive :rolleyes:
  12. Hattig macrumors 65816

    Jan 3, 2003
    London, UK
    I guess that WiBree is Bluetooth with a saner* more generic software/protocol stack, and possibly simpler controllers prior to the radio part which remains the same - however reusing existing Bluetooth controllers might make more sense.

    Bluetooth is pretty entrenched however now. It will be hard to encourage uptake of yet another wireless standard that operates in the same space.

    * Bluetooth's protocol stack includes serial port emulation at one part IIRC
  13. noservice2001 macrumors regular

    May 7, 2006
    808 State
    backwards compatible eh? that ought to be interesting to see used in devices...
  14. mdntcallr macrumors 65816


    Aug 1, 2000
    Los Angeles, CA
    hey technology is always advancing
    dunno if it would be building something for patent money, or to build a better bluetooth
  15. Clive At Five macrumors 65816

    Clive At Five

    May 26, 2004
    St. Paul, MN
    Successor to Bluetooth... damn. I don't even have Bluetooth yet... ;)

    But that's because this is my phone: [​IMG]

    You think you've all been holding out for a PhonePod? You ain't got nothin' on me and my playskool piece of trash.

    But if Apple foresakes bluetooth in exchange for solely the standard iPod terminal, I'll still be out of the loop. heh. I'll be the last (hu)man on Earth without a Bluetooth device. *snickers*

  16. DeepIn2U macrumors 601


    May 30, 2002
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Wibree = Garbage.

    Nokia is just upset that Ericsson created Bluetooth.

    > FACTS of Bluetooth. Already a world standard & is open; with a certification group involving MANY manufacturer's including Nokia.
    - Many profiles exist that allow for things like OBEX push, Stereo Headphone/Music Streaming support (v1.1/1.2/2.0).
    - 3Mbps in a Asynchronous transfer mode (BTv2.0+EDR) and ITS that fast overhead was already factored in; this is why without the EDR you only get 2.1Mbps.
    - Its power consumption is VERY low especially cellphones like SonyEricsson lineup. If critics of power consumption exist then they've been using products that have inferior chipsets, OR using Class 1 BT radio's that can transmitt up to 100meters! Yes there are 3 classes, most cellphones are Class 3 which is at 10meters (only the Moto Razr has Class 1 that I'm aware of).
    - Bluetooth will be blended with the UMA project that will allow MUCH faster bandwidth close to 10Mbps or higher.

    Think of ALL the products that already use bluetooth.
    Many company's like RedM have already (3 years ago) used Bluetooth in a Wide Area Network open to the public.

    [EDIT] btw, Bluetooth is that name of a Viking that was able to Concor lands and unify a nation with his Soothsaying, his tooth was actually Blue!
  17. bloodycape macrumors 65816

    Jun 18, 2005
    What is the differences and advantages between wibree, wibro, and wimax?
  18. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    Wow, that's ill! :eek:
  19. Kid Red macrumors 65816

    Dec 14, 2001
    Will it be safer than bluetooth? That would be most important to me, less radiation exposure.
  20. notjustjay macrumors 603


    Sep 19, 2003
    Canada, eh?
    ... and will they work with my wii?

  21. bjdku macrumors member

    Mar 3, 2006
    Chicago, IL
    From a technical perspective, how could we not love improvements and competition. But come on, we already have an open standard, bluetooth, and it took a TON of marketing dollars to educate the consumer on what bluetooth is. That is where most of the effort went, but now, the tide is turning, and bluetooth is improving fast...couldn't Nokia just work within the bluetooth group they are members of? They just want licensing dollars.
  22. Surreal macrumors 6502a

    Jun 18, 2004
    can we make bluetooth more reliable before we work on new stuff?

    i am going to buy a usb mouse because bluetooth is simply lagariffic.
  23. dernhelm macrumors 68000


    May 20, 2002
    middle earth
    HA! Maybe Nintendo's terrible name wasn't as terrible as we originally thought, eh?
  24. dernhelm macrumors 68000


    May 20, 2002
    middle earth
  25. Analog Kid macrumors 601

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    Have you read the article? They are working with the Bluetooth group... This is simply another protocol that is lower speed, lower power, but can reuse much of the same hardware used in Bluetooth to save cost. It's not a headset replacement, it's for talking to sensors and ultra low power, low data rate devices. Think pulse sensors, or watch interfaces.

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