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Discussion in 'Digital Video' started by Benjamindaines, Apr 5, 2007.
What do you guys as movie production people think is better?
I'm expecting Blue-Ray in here...its a good format to, expensive, but top notch. HD DVD is good to, but Blue-Ray wins in specs.
That said, I imagine Beta-Max would be more liked in here over VHS, and we all know how that turned out
The specs are better on BluRay, but something about it being sony scares me off. Not to mention all the features Microsoft advertises for HD DVD are totally useless.
Whichever one I'm getting paid to make at whichever given moment is better.
It's important that both blue laser formats are available, at least for professionals. However it would be nice if iDVD could write to either one.
One neat thing about sticking with the Apple HDV codec is when you create an HD-DVDR in DVD Studio Pro 4, you don't need to transcode anything. This is great for short projects.
Whoever's out there with an Xbox 360, HD DVD player add-on, Final Cut Suite, a decent Mac and an HDV camcorder is living the life right now.
Well for short movies in HD. I think HD movies on standard DVDs are better. My holiday videos don't last more than about 30mins, which should easily fit on a 9GB DVD.
Of course those movies will only play in a HD-DVD or BluRay player. But it doesn't require buying an expensive HD-DVD or BluRay burner.
But as for which format will win the format war. Well that's the one which has the most studio support, which is BluRay.
I Picked HD DVD for two reasons:
One: I own an XBOX 360 so I want it to win.
Two: As said earlier, its backed behind Sony which is a scary thing. Also Disney scares me to... Neither company do I trust nor do I want them to win. HD-DVD to me feels more free and for the people (and this is just how it feels, not how it really is), while blue-ray feels very corporate and maximizing profits.
Sadly I keep hearing good things about blue ray...
In the film business I could careless which prevails. Sure blue ray has better specs, but all I really care about is that this war is over with asap so I can jump head first in to the format and invest in equipment and junk...
Check this comparison and I chose Blue-ray because it has more space and better bitrate.
Blu-ray. bigger storage capacity. better name. Duh.
Plus, Apple's one of the Blu-Ray Committee (or Consortium, Cabal, whatever) members. You can bet that whatever ultimately gets built-in or made availavle from them will be Blu-Ray.
Better name? HD DVD is much cooler!
HD DVD sounds old and boring and Blu-ray sounds new and fresh. Blue-ray is the future and will be standard soon, hopefully.
HD DVD is awesome... i will say that. but remember how "DVD" was so advanced and futuristic-sounding 5-6 years ago? now it's used in everyday talk. it's old. adding 2 letters to it is a change but Blu-Ray is way different and it now sounds "advanced and futuristic-sounding."
No. Apple is also a member of the DVD Forum, which is behind HD DVD.
Apple is on both "sides." Professionals need the ability to output to either format. HD DVD authoring (onto regular red-laser DVDRs) has been a feature of DVD Studio Pro for almost two years now.
Blu-ray video disc authoring in DVD Studio Pro 5 will likely be announced in 11 days. Burning to either blue-laser format (Blu-ray and HD DVD) is also very likely.
Specs and even Studio Support doesn't mean anything!
I USED to OWN BOTH (Sony PlayStation 3/60GB) but decided to sell it and stick with HD DVD (Toshiba HD-XA2, Highly Recommended, Amazing Reviews).
My issues with Blu-ray Disc were:
1. Inconsistent Picture Quality in New & Catalogs (especially) Releases. Take a look at Disney's recent release G.I. JANE, KING ARTHUR.
2. Lack of Special Features. Feels like '97 all over again when Studio like Disney thinks Instant Access and Seamless Menus are Features.
3. Lack of Interactivity. Issues with BD-Java is the reason why Blu-ray doesn't have WB's titles (all available on HD DVD) with In-Movie Experience (IME) like BATMAN BEGINS, HARRY POTTER: THE GOBLET of FIRE (UK release), POSEIDON or the Upcoming MATRIX ULTIMATE/TRILOGY!!!
4. 20th Century Fox's over-priced $35-40 CAN CATALOGS/BAREBONE titles. I have no problem with New Releases, hell I'm paying that for Universal's PACKED, HD DVD/DVD Combo releases.
Now I read that they have completely pulled their previously announced BD's like ME, MYSELF & IRENE and MR. & MRS. SMITH...again whether it's Production or Security issues, BD continues to have problems!
*News/Reviews can be found @ High-Def Digest.
To the poster above I believe they are working on BD-Java with the new specs and such.
The inconsistent picture quality I would see happening on both sides of the fence.
The lack of "user interactive" features, commentaries etc... aren't a huge deal to me, I watch movies for the main feature.
But if and when blu-ray does get all of that, that will be a huge blow too hd-dvd format.
Seems to me HD-DVD has all their features and special stuff already out there, doesn't look they can throw many more blows to blu-ray.
Blu-ray has yet to offer everything they are capable of. Once they get the bugs worked on on BD-Java and all if not most of the blu-ray players updated and add a special features section that'll be a major blow to hd-dvd, if not a knock out punch.
not sure which spec is better (sounds like bluray has some votes here), but it's all moot anyway, the porn industry will pick the winner. It played a large role in the betamax/vhs battle, and will do so with hd-dvd and bluray
Well the porn industry has said that they are only backing HD DVD but the battle goes on.
No... the porn industry won't have anything to do with who wins (if there ever is a clear winner) this batte. It has been said before on these forums, and I'll repeat it:
The porn industry had influence back then because VHS became a better means of distribution for adult films than shady adult movie theaters. The HD DVD vs Blu-Ray battel has no influence on introducing a new way of distributing porn.
The adult film industry has already started moving over to online distribution. They don't care about this battle much...regular DVD's are cheap and the profit margins they get are unbeatable compared to everything except online distribution.
While I understand your feelings about the user interactive features, since this is not just a Blue Ray vs. HD-DVD forum, but a forum of video/film professionals this is very important to us.
So I have to agree with the original poster on interactive features and that they are important. For me, for example, I am a film student and watch the behind the scenes so I know exactly how they do certain shots (like children of men car scene, just crazy).
I hope both formats crash and burn as punishment to the companies for starting another format war. Viva la holographic storage!!
Heck yeah. I mentioned that disc format about 8 months ago in the HD-DVD vs Blue Ray thread in another forum (this thread had, at the time a couple hundred responses) and boy did I get creamed for such blasphemy. I posted about 20 reports of the holographic disc but no one was impressed...
The problem as of right now for holographic is that they are not pushing to be in our living rooms. No, there goal is strictly for video market, i.e. replace the Betamax. This is a sad day since there are many great things to this format. It still has some big downsides as well though...
Well technically speaking the two are quite similar. The video on both are nearly the same. I think HD-DVD will win because it integrates into existing optical disk production lines as where blue-ray will need special hardware. But blue-ray will be the back-up standard and might be more integrated into home production.
Well as others have said, the porn industry isn't as important to this war. But even so, porn is on both HD-DVD and BluRay.
The original story about there not being porn on BluRay (to which I assume you are referring to), was actually started by someone with a pro-HD DVD agenda. It was based on Sony at the time not producing porn BluRay disks at their plants. But Sony are not the only company manufacturing BluRay disks and it has been possible to get porn in HD on both formats for some time now.
Well Sony has just repeated the past with there Blu-ray. Just like Beta max.
I am meaning, Sony has put a ban on Blu-ray being used for the adult film industy.
I am betting thousands to one that HD DVD is your answer to everything.
Blu-Ray will stay in the professional world only due to there specs.
When was the last time any one sat down for 8 hrs to watch any movie, like never!
Blu-ray will strictly remain as an archive procedure for television stations that have HDTV camera edit bay's for archiving. The television stations no longer as of the next two yrs have tape recordings, Its all going to blu-ray. Sony already has pro camcorders that are recording on blu-ray.
So once again, Sony is after the profesional market in there media.
Good on Sony!
Ill buy a blu-ray recorder system for my mac. I sure need to back up all my footage.
HD DVD players are less than half the price of blu-ray players now.
What? Not again...
This has been polled and discussed before... please search...
I didn't vote - do you mean what will win or what we use?
I have the XB360 HD DVD drive. VC-1 encoded movies are stunning.
I've seen Blu-ray at the stores, most have MPEG-2 and I get annoyed by the mosquito noise.
I can tell the difference on my front projection system.
An article I read stated that "Disney will decide this format war..." - Disney has chosen Blu-ray.
I don't know how this can be - Blu-ray players are $600 the cheapest. MPEG-2 Blu-ray titles look inferior... and movies are more expensive.
I can see that the public would think it's better because of capacity (like VHS, it has more) and is backed by Sony (PS3) and it costs more - if it costs more, it's better!