Boeing Fires Back

[wdlove]

I can just see the number of cases of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) aka 'economy seat syndrome' increase. Potentially fatal blood clots from enforced inactivity. I think I can take longer to get there. More breaks.

It's a good idea to do leg exercises at your seat. Such as pointing your toes toward your nose and then away. Getting up and walking once an hour. Also very important to keep well hydrated. For individuals prone to DVT, there are medications available. A person should speak with their physician.

 

[booksacool1]

God, all this bs fanboyism...
BOTH airbus and boeing make good planes ok???
Anyway, I think the 777 is rather insignificant when you've got the A380 vs 747 to talk about.
And the topic of this thread isn't apt.
"Boeing fires Back" - that would imply boeing has made a plane to compete with the A380 and not just something like a 767 with extra fuel tanks.
Although, thinking about it, I can see a possible market for the 777 (albeit a "niche" marketa) for those who just fly very long distance. But thats not a lot of people.

 

[stubeeef]

God, all this bs fanboyism...
BOTH airbus and boeing make good planes ok???

killjoy

 

[combatcolin]

He He.

No fun when everyone agrees!!

Next i think should be Fighter jets.

US Vs UK Vs FRENCH Vs SWEDEN VS RUSSIA Vs can't think of anyone else.

 

[stubeeef]

He He.

No fun when everyone agrees!!

Next i think should be Fighter jets.

US Vs UK Vs FRENCH Vs SWEDEN VS RUSSIA Vs can't think of anyone else.

Chinese!

So its Lockheed/McDonnel Douglas vs Mirage? vs SAAB vs MiG vs Hyndia?

 

[jalagl]

I have flown in different Airbus models, in Boeing planes, in old Douglas MD 80's, DC 9's and DC10's, and last but not least I took a trip over the ocean and back in a Lockheed L1011, Tristar. The L1011 was a good flight for an old plane! If I had my choice however to select the plane I would be flying in I would always pick Boeing. 777's are awesome and I see on their website they are working on the new 787 now. Very nice aircraft. The model of the 787 looks very sleek!

Very funny - I just got of a 777 from a 10 hour flight between London and Miami, and though that I like those planes MUCH MORE than the 767 and 747 for long trips. They are more spacious, not as crowded, and much more confortable than the other planes.
Just can't wait to get on a 787 once they arrive!!

 

[combatcolin]

He He.

No fun when everyone agrees!!

Next i think should be Fighter jets.

US Vs UK Vs FRENCH Vs SWEDEN VS RUSSIA Vs can't think of anyone else.

Actually now i think about it the Tornado is UK/German and i think Italian
The Harrier is definatly UK
The EuroFighter is UK/German and Definatly Itailian
The French make the Roudart or something like that - very tasty.
The Sweds have the Miggan - I think.
The Russian have of course the legendary Mig 29 Fulcrum

And the Yanks have so many Fighter Jets the pilots forget which one there booked to be flying today

Not quite sure if China have their own Air Defense industy.

 

[williamsonrg]

First of all, the winglet discussion as a proxy for Macs vs. PCs amused me.

Secondly, all fanboy-ism aside, I hope that Boeing "wins" in the battle for orders between the 787 and the A380. As a passenger, I would very much prefer to fly non-stop from smaller airports than to continue with the hub-and-spoke system. I know that there is a market for the super-jumbo aircraft, I just hate when they are abused. For example, I want to fly from St. Louis to Munich, not from St. Louis to New York to London to Munich (just a random example, I don't know if Munich would have a direct A380 flight from NY).

Also, if Boeing makes true on their claims of pressurizing the 787 at a lower altitude, it would make for a more comfortable flight, which is also important to me, the passenger.

The economics of the airlines are ultimately going to decide which aircraft they sink most of their money in, but maybe, just maybe, they will think about passenger comfort.

 

[bubbamac]

Hub and spoke will not go away, even with the 787. You'll still go through NYC, ORD, DFW, IAH... pick a hub. But you won't have to stop in Europe. That'll work the other way, too, of course.

The upshot is, you'll lose one connection, but not both.

 

[williamsonrg]

d And the Yanks have so many Fighter Jets the pilots forget which one there booked to be flying today

Actually, us Yanks in 10 years will have only two current production aircraft, both manufactured by Lockheed-Martin: the F-22 Raptor (worst production record in history) and the F-35 JSF (contract awarded to Lockheed because they'd done so admirably on the F-22).

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

First of all, the winglet discussion as a proxy for Macs vs. PCs amused me.

Secondly, all fanboy-ism aside, I hope that Boeing "wins" in the battle for orders between the 787 and the A380. As a passenger, I would very much prefer to fly non-stop from smaller airports than to continue with the hub-and-spoke system. I know that there is a market for the super-jumbo aircraft, I just hate when they are abused. For example, I want to fly from St. Louis to Munich, not from St. Louis to New York to London to Munich (just a random example, I don't know if Munich would have a direct A380 flight from NY).

Also, if Boeing makes true on their claims of pressurizing the 787 at a lower altitude, it would make for a more comfortable flight, which is also important to me, the passenger.

The economics of the airlines are ultimately going to decide which aircraft they sink most of their money in, but maybe, just maybe, they will think about passenger comfort.

I know that for myself I look for flights or airlines that use the 737 over the 318 any day. I love the window seat, and on the 318 it is damn uncomfortable compared to the 737. And I found the the 757 to be better than the 737, but the operators did not. Just the same for the wide-bodies. The L-1011 reigned supreme to me over the DC-10 (never had the chance as of yet flying the 747 or any of the ABs wide-bodies).

In the end I see Boeing or Airbus needing to buy out the RJ builders or come up with their own versions. To that end Boeing has the right idea, 777s and 787s to feed into hubs that then use RJs to get you to where you are going.

There are few markets that need the capacity of the 380. And all this talk of gyms and such will vanish like the 747 lounge or the piano bars on Continental's DC-10's. I can see "luxury" 380's being used by charters for the uber-rich or the likes of Virgin that want an "image"; but in the end it will be a 550 to 800 cattle car.

And like others have said, pity the airline that decides on 600+ passengers, for the terrorist target it presents is just too rich for terrorists to ignore.

The talk of Boeing offering a larger more economical version of the 747 makes sense. Though they should have offered IMO at the point that AB seriously started to push the 380. The reason why is that the 380 will require major pilot and maintenance requirements and training. A modified 747 would have required less based on my knowledge of the industry. Commonality between versions offers savings for the airlines. That may have what doomed the 757 among the Boeing faithful airlines, given the advancements in the 737 line.

I know that I will try to be among the first to fly the 787 (7E7). As a photographer the new windows alone maybe worth the flight.

 

[combatcolin]

Actually, us Yanks in 10 years will have only two current production aircraft, both manufactured by Lockheed-Martin: the F-22 Raptor (worst production record in history) and the F-35 JSF (contract awarded to Lockheed because they'd done so admirably on the F-22).

Does anyone else think its weird that you can buy flight sims of fighter jets not in service for y e a r s.

The Eurofighter game came out more than 10 years ago on Amiga and its not in service for another 2 years.

 

[hvfsl]

While airport screening in the USA isn't as good as it should be, it is still better than Europe and the rest of the world. Even after 9/11, I had a metal fork and knife on an Inter-European flight. I then flew from CDG Paris to the USA, where I was stopped and searched for 20 minutes, without checking my shoes. I had to have my shoes checked when I arrived in the US, before I could even get out of the International terminal.

The next day the same Paris airport, same airline, let Richard Reid, the UK shoe bomber on a flight to the USA without checking his shoes.

Yeah, I am paranoid, but I won't be flying on 380's till the rest of the world catches up on airport screening.

Well Israel has the best airline security in the world and they are outside the US. That's where this whole airline jacking started, so they have had several years to improve their security.

And I recently went from London to SF and can say the UK security is just as good as in the US. After the shoe bomber, Airport security increased a lot in the EU countries. Although the Swiss still sell pen knifes and other sharp objects at their airport after you go through customs. Although I haven't been their in over a year so hopefully they have stopped doing that now.