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Bono Defends Steve Jobs Against Criticism Over Lack of Public Philanthropy
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I look at people on whether they've had a net positive or negative on the world. I read such vitriol as "he's a douche bag," "he stole all of his ideas," or "he's an a$$hole" and I'm left to wonder how a mind like this operates.
Maybe it's because we're all so jaded now, but I wouldn't lambast my enemies with these phrases, let alone people I've never met or only have a sampling of their life and world view.
The point being negative labels drag us all down.
If Steve hopped into a go-cart and ran over your dog while Bono made millions writing a song about it, I might see why you'd be in a huff, but otherwise, I don't get it.
Maybe it's because we're all so jaded now, but I wouldn't lambast my enemies with these phrases, let alone people I've never met or only have a sampling of their life and world view.
The point being negative labels drag us all down.
If Steve hopped into a go-cart and ran over your dog while Bono made millions writing a song about it, I might see why you'd be in a huff, but otherwise, I don't get it.
Like I said, based on what you were asked to prove. You stated "it's been proven that he's a dbag and greedy" or something. No. It wasn't proven. So my original statement stands.
You didn't claim something didn't exist or wasn't true. You stated that it's been proven that he's a cheap dbag.
Ok, fine, can we all just assume he hasn't donated a single cent to charity (regardless of whether he has or not) and move on? You win, end of story.
What about you folks? How have you all changed the world?
Coz the general trend now seems to be that it is easier to criticise someone for not doing something, then do something beneficial on your own.
What about you folks? How have you all changed the world?
Coz the general trend now seems to be that it is easier to criticise someone for not doing something, then do something beneficial on your own.
It's axiomatic!
SJ is not someone I'd want to spend time with, a very clever man but still a bit of a douche.
Please live in the modern age, without any funds for the gouvernement you have chaos.
Yeah I'm confused why this is so hard for you too....you haven't proven that he doesn't give to charity. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...that's been stated multiple times in this thread alone...its basic logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argume..._absence_of_evidence_from_evidence_of_absence
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It's axiomatic!
SJ is not someone I'd want to spend time with, a very clever man but still a bit of a douche.
haha yes it does appear that many here do believe it is axiomatic...
blah blah...
I provided an actual example of his behavior that would indicate he doesnt give to charity. What do you have other than "well I dont know one way or the other."
Furthermore jobs IS a dbag because he doesnt give to charity and he lied about being able to father children so he didnt have to pay child support.
You can't even make your argument that SJ gives to charity. At least I can support mine that he doesnt.
This is the problem with America. Nowadays if you make a living for yourself and you have money you're expected to give it away.
Personally when a natural disaster happens like the Japan and Haiti earthquakes, Hurricane Katrina and the tornadoes in Missouri happen I'll donate to the Red Cross or what not. But just because you don't donate to charity doesn't make you a bad person.
Personally when a natural disaster happens like the Japan and Haiti earthquakes, Hurricane Katrina and the tornadoes in Missouri happen I'll donate to the Red Cross or what not. But just because you don't donate to charity doesn't make you a bad person.
You're upset, and not sure why. It's his money, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it haha...i'm surprised this thread has gone this long with people actually telling someone else what to do with their money...it's extremely bizarre, sad and telling behavior.
That being said...I simply stated that your logic was wrong...and it was. Steve Jobs can give 4 billion to charity or steal candy from babies...doesn't affect me. I was just letting you know that your logic
confused was incorrect, and that's all.Jobs is also a democrat , the natural home for a businessman and true capitalist is the GOP yet Jobs is a full blown democrat supporter which obviously means that he believes in social issues and healthcare and looking after the poor and that kind of thing so if he does not believe in what the GOP stand for I can well believe that he donates money to social issues and health projects
Ok, fine, can we all just assume he hasn't donated a single cent to charity (regardless of whether he has or not) and move on? You win, end of story.
What about you folks? How have you all changed the world?
Coz the general trend now seems to be that it is easier to criticise someone for not doing something, then do something beneficial on your own.
This strikes me as a very valid point. Cue all the people claiming to have done something fantastic on their own...
The GOP (thank god they are returning to power in a year or so) are the party of greed, ambition, low tax, entrepreneurial spirit, crush the welfare scroungers, every man for himself etc so Jobs being a ruthless capitalist would most likely find solace in the GOP so why is he a democrat who are obsessed with social issues and the poor ?
Real taxes are among the lowest ever . But dont let that little fact stop you.
Sure and then thousands of small organisations will waist large part of that money on fraude, paying themselves trying to figure out how to help,...
Every companys know larger size has an advantage .
True but we are obligated to pay only for basic infrastructure which we all use. Ethically taxes collected should benefit the mass citizenry; anything else is outright redistribution of wealth which is wrong. Socialism takes absolutely no consideration of the human condition as it pertains to individual productivity and accountability. It is no surprise that the current Fed looks more like the biggest Ponzi scheme ever than an institution of an industrialized nation. With liberty comes responsibility so it is no surprise that the US is looking at its greatest debt ever incurred all because spending got totally out of control. Our current pace is quite unsustainable and I fear that only massive austerity in combination with tax increases will get the US out of its downward spiral.
I love this quote by Samual Adams. It reminds me of those who are so very preoccupied with spending other people's assets:
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Back to his Steveness...
If he is not much for philanthropy it is entirely his prerogative and should be without any retribution from any other man.
If Steve has made charitable donations and has not publicly spoken of it then I applaud his humility. There is certainly more pride in this world than humility and I will give you one guess as to which one is responsible for societies' problems.
I don't recall Gates giving away much money while he was working at MSFT, but after he resigned he started giving it away by the truckload.
I completely understand that. Bill appears to be the kind of person who cares greatly where/how his charitable contributions are spent, so it makes sense that he didn't start donating significantly until he had time to focus on it and do it right.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Steve ends up being the same way.
Then again, even if Steve hoards it all for the next 30 years
that's his choice, as we live in a free market, private enterprise, private property society, and no one can/should tell him what to do with his own, hard-earned money.You're upset, and not sure why. It's his money, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it haha...i'm surprised this thread has gone this long with people actually telling someone else what to do with their money...it's extremely bizarre, sad and telling behavior.
That being said...I simply stated that your logic was wrong...and it was. Steve Jobs can give 4 billion to charity or steal candy from babies...doesn't affect me. I was just letting you know that your logic
Why would I be upset? Yah of course he can do whatever he want and he chooses to be a greedy dbag who lied to avoid child support. I just find it amusing that all the inerds are puttin up a force field to protect this turtlenecked dbag.
Oh and gee look now that jobs is no longer CEO apple is donating to charity again.... I wonder why... Now where's your proof that Jobs gives to charity???
