Boot Camp 3.0 + Windows 7 = Argh.

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  1. imfrog2002 macrumors 6502

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    Okay, I ran the 3.0 installer that was on my Snow Leopard disk. All the drivers updated, and now Areo won't work, none of my games will run, and it's just all over glitchy. It says that it can't find DirectX9 for my games, even though I ran the installer 2 minutes ago. It says that the drivers aren't supported, so it can't run the Experience Index, which means Aero can't work. Any suggestions?

    EDIT: Doh! Forgot to run Windows Update to get the new driver. Long day. Sorry all.
     
  2. PoitNarf macrumors 65816

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    Working fine on mine. Hit the AMD or Nvidia site depending on which graphics card you have installed and get the latest Windows 7 drivers from them. The graphics drivers that come with Snow Leopard are from April. The latest Nvidia Windows 7 drivers from their website were released just yesterday.
     
  3. ilkevinli macrumors 6502

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    Areo won't run because the video drivers don't install properly. CHeck the device manager and youll see the Video card listed as Standard Video Adapter. Once you install the video drivers manually and update the Windows index score, Areo will turn on.

    Apple put NO time into testing these drivers. I can't believe this is the best they can do. :mad: :mad:




     
  4. ahjjones Guest

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    To be honest you should be happy that Apple even includes BootCamp as a tool seeing as Microsoft is their number one competitor. They're doing you a favor. Don't feel so entitled. :mad:
     
  5. bigvb@hotmail.c macrumors member

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    i had the standard "no sound" problem with W7 and my uMBP 2009. It was weird as it did originally have sound when i installed W7, but then i did an update and BOOM, no sound, i tried everything short of re-installing bootcamp, still no luck.

    I inserted the SL disk in W7, selected "intall Bootcamp drivers"

    and HURRAY, i now have sound.
     
  6. EOC macrumors newbie

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    they're doing me a favor? I wouldn't even have even bought a mac if it wasn't able to run windows.
     
  7. ilkevinli macrumors 6502

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    That is a moronic statement. If Apple is going to include Bootcamp as a feature, they have an OBLIGATION to do it right. Not half-ass.


     
  8. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    So by your theory, Apple (which is actually a hardware company) doing us a favor by providing OS X and all other Apple software, but we're not actually entitled? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

    If they're gonna support it they shouldn't provide half-assed drivers.
     
  9. cool8man macrumors newbie

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    Exactly. This is my first Mac and I only even considered it because it runs Windows. I don't use the Mac OS, but I bought the MacBook because they advertise that their computers run Windows. And they do, it's just seemingly an afterthought for them. I understand that the Windows experience is not their number 1 priority (and it shouldn't be) but after 3 months of a computer being on the market they should have gotten around to providing the proper drivers for it. The experience I'm having now weighs into whether I will ever buy another Mac again or whether I will continue to recommend them to family and friends who use Windows.
     
  10. Bengt77 macrumors 68000

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    You don't really have a Mac, actually. What makes a Mac a Mac is not the hardware, but the software. That means that anyone solely running Windows on a Mac, doesn't really have a Mac but rather just an Apple computer.
     
  11. xIGmanIx macrumors 6502a

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    this is more a selling point for Mac's than it is for windows. Windows actually keeps or gains their market share by people buying intel mac's and running windows. This is something that apple did strategically to ensure they were running windows on their hardware thus getting the profit. I say its 100% their obligation to ensure their drivers are smooth as silk especially since this was all "under the hood". If anything this was to bolster apple sales not the other way around, otherwise, those folks who used bootcamp to collapse two machines into one, are going to keep two machines now.
     
  12. numbersyx macrumors 65816

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    LOL. Yes, Apple includes Boot Camp as a favour. Has nothing to do with the fact that they want to sell more Macs and entice possible switchers. How silly of me to think so.....:D
     
  13. simonpickard macrumors regular

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    Whenever I see some muppet saying this I want to scream!

    If Apple supply the drivers they should work, that's it. If they don't they are selling a faulty product and should be called up on it.

    If they market to people saying "We support Windows via Bootcamp" they HAVE to follow through on this.

    Apple control all the hardware in their laptops it should be a fairly straightforward job to provide fast, stable drivers for said hardware. I use windows all the time on my macbook pro and expect it to work as well as Osx does. And it would do if Apple got their finger out and wrote some better drivers that increase battery life, etc.
     
  14. cool8man macrumors newbie

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    Really I had no idea I wasn't allowed to call my MacBook Pro a Mac. :rolleyes:

    What makes a Mac a Mac is the fact that they call it a MacBook. You honestly expect anyone to type out "Apple computer" every time they need to say "Mac?" Good luck with that campaign.

    I didn't choose it for the software, I chose it for the hardware that is powerful, thin, light, quiet and not made of plastic. I have no reason to use anything other than Windows 7 on my Mac.
     
  15. simonpickard macrumors regular

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    "I didn't choose it for the software, I chose it for the hardware that is powerful, thin, light, quiet and not made of plastic. I have no reason to use anything other than Windows 7 on my Mac. "

    Same here, I run Windows 7 95% of the time.
    In fact I'm so happy with Windows 7 on my Mac that I was wondering if there's any way to remove osx altogether? Or is that something you have to have installed in order to then install Windows?

    Regards,
    Simon
     
  16. ilkevinli macrumors 6502

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    You can remove OS X. Windows will work fine.




     
  17. MythicFrost macrumors 68040

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    Wjahnawaubafa!! (pronounced Wah-jah-na-warb-aah-fa) traitor to the cause! nah JK.

    I don't see why you couldn't delete your old boot camp partition in OSX, then just install the Whole of Windows 7 on your hard drive.

    :O

    I wonder would would happen if you deleted OSX before you deleted your Boot Camp partition, would you be stuck with two partitions for ever :eek:?

    Kind Regards
     
  18. simonpickard macrumors regular

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    Hehe,

    Nah don't get me wrong, I love OSX- think it's a great OS. But there's an App I need to use in Windows.

    Before Windows 7 I did everything in OSX and then just bootcamped over to Xp for this one app but I have to say since using Windows 7 I find the need for this way less.

    The only reason I keep OSX on my macbook pro now is for updates. I take it those will always only be allowed to be installed via OSX?

    I think what I'll do is create a small 10GB partition for OSX and then use the rest for Windows7.

    What do you guys think?

    Regards,
    Simon

    Oh.. ps.. In terms of Bootcamp 3.0 I haven't had a single issue under windows 7 on my 17" Unibody mabook pro.
    Everything is working perfectly thus far (apart from reduced battery life).
     
  19. EOC macrumors newbie

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    I too, bought it for its superior design and quality. I deleted the OSx partition and am using Windows 7 RC1. I purchased snow leopard and will give the os another go and I'll be installing 7 RTM as well.

    The osx partition has to be at least 25gb
     
  20. ToeCutter macrumors newbie

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    Did anyone notice the original poster edited their post to say they resolved the issue after using Windows Update (kind of pointing the blame in Microsoft's direction?)

    For what it's worth, IMHO Apple has done an awesome job supporting Windows 7 with Boot Camp 3.0.

    I've installed Snow Leopard on my ancient, Late 2006 Black MacBook and both Snow Leopard and Windows 7 work flawlessly (including Aero in Windows 7 using the incrediby lame Intel GMA 950 video chipset).

    Bravo Apple. Windows 7 isn't even out yet and it works great on the Mac, to say nothing of the blistering fast Snow Leopard update.

    I wonder how many 3 year old PC notebooks will run Windows 7 as easily?
     
  21. Markov macrumors 6502

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    A friend of mine is running Win 7 on a Dell Mini 9 with a 950 GMA chipset and integrated graphics as well. It run flawlessly for him as well with drivers all pulled from Windows Update. While I agree with you that Apple has done a great job supporting Windows on a Mac, I believe Microsoft deserves the credit for Windows 7 running flawlessly on 3 year old notebooks. :rolleyes: Just sayin'.
     
  22. pesos macrumors 6502a

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    LOL @ Toecutter...

    Windows 7 runs beautifully on my Dell Inspiron 600m... 1 GB ram on a laptop from 2003... by my count that's 6 years old...
     
  23. J71 macrumors member

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    I recently updated my MacBook to 10.6 on and also installed Windows 7 to see how 3.0 BootCamp compares to 2.1. I went ahead with the 64-bit version of Win7 instead of the 32-bit that is installed on my iMac.

    Win7 is quite fast and I am impressed with the performance. Battery life is a little better in 3.0 BC over 2.1 but still very poor compared to OS X. The only application issue so far is Firefox. It loads in memory but the app never launches. I'll have to figure that one out.

    One thing that still bothers me is how much hotter the MB still runs compared to OS X so I am a little concerned with overheating. I would like to trade up to a 15" notebook for the higher screen resolution and I would love to get another Mac. I would use Win7 at least half of the time but with poor battery life and considering how much hotter the MB's run under Win7, I may just go with a ThinkPad instead and leave the Mac's running OS X and PC's running Windows.

    Anyone else have any overheating issues with Win7? Should I be concerned with long term usage?

    Regards,
    J
     
  24. simonpickard macrumors regular

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    In reply to the overheating..

    I've found that updating to the latest nvidia drivers really helped this for me.
    The gfx card drivers that ship with 3.0 seem to ignore when you're not using the gfx card and run it full power all the time (leading to heat). With the newer drivers this doesn't happen for me.

    Regards,
    Simon
     
  25. Winni macrumors 68030

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    Apple's file system drivers (the ones that allow access to the HFS+/OS X partitions) in BootCamp 3 repeatedly caused blue screens in Vista on my Mac Pro. I don't use Apple's out-dated video drivers, but use the most recent ones from the nVidia website.

    What totally sucks is Apple's artificial restriction to "new" Mac Pros when you use 64-Bit Windows. The Boot Camp 3 installer aborts with a "64-bit is not supported on this Mac" message, but when you double click on the actual installer one folder deeper on the Snow Leopard disk, it installs anyway and everything works ok -- except for the file system drivers, but that's not because of the machine, but rather because of Apple's lousy implementation. MacDrive does the same job just fine on 64-Bit Windows.

    But seeing how buggy and incompatible Snow Leopard in general is, my over-all experience is that Vista 64 provides a better user experience on Apple hardware than Apple's own operating system.

    Which brings me to say this: Maybe they should just drop the support for their own OS and adopt Windows instead.
     

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