Boot Camp Frustration/HOW to dual boot Mac/Windows

Discussion in 'Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac' started by calvindsy, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. calvindsy, Jun 17, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2013

    calvindsy macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013
    Hi there, Mac Rumors!

    I have been scouring the web on this issue, and I've decided to consult a couple of forums.

    BEFORE I begin...
    I'm running:
    Mac Mini, latest version, i5 Chip model and maxed out ram (8GB).

    I have a wired Apple keyboard, a basic DVI Monitor, wireless mouse, and a Samsung DVD-CD Burner/Reader drive.

    Sandisk 8GB (As you'll see below) is a Cruzer model, brand new.
    Sony Media 4GB Again, brand new. Also again, the story is below.

    I have found it mostly possible to survive on Mac and Linux, but now I come face to face with a program that I'm going to need a lot that is requiring windows. It doesn't like WINE (linux) and I'm working on that, but what I'd really like to do is have my Mac Mini dual booted to Windows/Mac.

    First off, I have a Windows 7 64 bit CD. Everything works on it fine. If I try it in VMware, it works, so it's a valid disk. However, VMware isn't good enough and it was just a trial anyways. I'm trying to do this in a way that gives me all my computer's power in windows, as the development engine I'm trying to run is going to need all the power I can give it.

    Here is what I've tried:
    1) First, I did what I thought would work right off the bat. I put the disk in a USB DVD-CD Reader/Burner drive (should be capable of doing everything) and then waited for the partition to work.

    When I rebooted, my mac just sat there with a black screen and nothing else. I tried again, thinking maybe it just got stuck and a reboot would fix the problem. No luck. When I remove the CD/DVD drive, it brings up a NO OS error and tells me to insert any media and press any key. Neither inserting the disk nor pressing any key brings up any reaction.

    Fed up, I just rebooted and went into Mac Safe Mode or whatever it's called--changed the boot partition back to Mac OS X Hard drive, so I could fix the problem.

    I tried again twice, with the same result. I looked up the problem, but nobody seemed to be having the same issue, and so I just decided to do a different idea. I downloaded an .ISO file that (again) works with VMware and my intent was to put it on a new thumb drive. I went out, bought a Sandisk 8GB, and tried again. I got an error

    An error occurred when copying files to windows.

    when I tried to make the Windows 7 USB Bootable Drive.

    I scoured the forums yet again, and found someone saying 'Oh, its just a problem with sandisk. Use a Sony Media 4GB, and it works fine'. 3-5 Business Days later, my Amazon packages arrives and it still brings up the same error.

    I tried borrowing a friends computer and making a bootable USB flash drive that way, but it still brings up no response.

    I'm at my wits end here. I would like to run Windows for a number of reasons, and I'd also like to just be able to have this work. If there is anyone out there who can help is appreciated.

    Thanks a ton guys!



    I also tried burning the .ISO to the Sony flash drive in Disk Utility.

    Unable to burn Windows7.iso (not recognized).
  2. pastrychef macrumors 601


    Sep 15, 2006
    New York City, NY
  3. calvindsy thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013
    When I said like trying Boot Camp...I meant Boot Camp Assistant. This is all done throughout Boot Camp in some way, I at first just used it to create the partition and set it as the bootable one and then I tried to create a bootable USB drive.

    Neither worked, as I said above.
  4. pastrychef macrumors 601


    Sep 15, 2006
    New York City, NY
    What optical drive are you using? When Boot Camp Assistant asked you to insert your Windows disc, it allowed you to proceed, so I'm assuming the disc is fine. I'm just wondering if it may be an iffy optical drive. I've used USB optical drives that were bus powered that were unstable until an external power source was connected.
  5. calvindsy thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013
    I'm using a Samsung SE-S084D Drive, and a Sony Media 4GB/Sandisk Cruzer (neither worked).

    The USB drive and the USB flash sticks were all plugged into my main Mac USB ports, all of which work fine
  6. pastrychef macrumors 601


    Sep 15, 2006
    New York City, NY
    I've never tried creating bootable Windows installer flash drives before, so I can't comment on the success rate of using that method.

    Have you tried booting while holding the Option key when your Windows installer disc is in the optical drive?
  7. calvindsy thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013
    That is progress; what happens now is I get a selection of what to boot from. If I boot from anything other than the Macintosh HD, it will give me black screens or (in the case of the USB) it will say:
    Remove all media
    Press any key.

    However, that got me closer :p
  8. TinHead88 macrumors regular


    Oct 30, 2008
    Apparently it's a problem with drivers and installing Windows 8 works. Are you able to try this?
  9. calvindsy, Jun 17, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2013

    calvindsy thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013
    I don't have a copy, but theoretically I could get one.

    Would I be able to downgrade to 7 from there, do you think?
    The softwares that I need don't run on it (yet).

    EDIT: Or upgrade to windows 7, whichever way you look at it.
  10. TinHead88 macrumors regular


    Oct 30, 2008
    I don't personally have any experience with downgrading Windows. I also don't have a 2013 mac model so can't test this but have a look and see if it helps...
  11. pastrychef macrumors 601


    Sep 15, 2006
    New York City, NY
    Wow. I was unaware of the driver issue that TinHead88 mentioned. The link that he provided sounds like it should resolve your issue whether you are installing Windows 7 or 8. Nice find!
  12. blanka macrumors 68000

    Jul 30, 2012
    Try Virtual Box 4 as well. It is free, really mature nowadays, and running Windows next to OSX is not getting easier. Full screen you won't notice you run VM, unless maybe when you compare game FPS with Bootcamp.
    Oh, and you did not max out RAM. Max is 16Gb at the moment as nobody tried 16Gb modules yet.
    Installation is also a breeze. Way easier than on a PC or with Bootcamp, you don't need to worry about separate volumes/partitioning (the disk is a auto-resizing disk image file), and a VM blows real installs out of the water when it comes to boot times, not mentioning the hassle of rebooting.
  13. calvindsy thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013
    I'll definitely try that, thanks. I'd still prefer the rebooting thing but I take your point.

    Now, I'm off to newegg to find 8GB sticks of RAM, and buy two of them :D Apple told me the max on mine was 8GB.
  14. yaddam205 macrumors member

    Mar 20, 2008

    I'm in the same boat as most of you.

    *New MBA 2013
    *Installed 7 with bootcamp assistant.
    *After Install keyboard and mouse stopped working.
    *Unable to get past "Name PC" screen after install.

    Afterwards I used the windows USB bootable tool to install a fresh version of 7 without bootcamp drivers. This also failed.

    I'm at my wits end! I'm going to try a copy of windows 8 and use the bootcamp assistant.

    Any tips?
  15. calvindsy, Jun 19, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2013

    calvindsy thread starter macrumors newbie

    Jun 17, 2013

    I haven't gotten that far yet, I can't seem to install win7 so I tried an ISO of windows 8, in hopes that the previous comments may have had truth. That fixed the thumb drive problem immediately, and booted windows 8, but it wouldn't go past a 'Scanning for drivers, none found' stage.

    While booting, you can hold down Option/CMD+R to get back to your mac (if you didn't already know, which you probably did, seeing as you're back here).

    Thanks all for your help; now I just need to figure out how to install windows 8 so I can upgrade from 8 to windows 7 and then be

    Thanks again; this has gotten me farther than I could have gotten on my own.
  16. cocacolakid macrumors 65816


    Dec 18, 2010
    Before you get back into trying to install Windows, you said you've tried Wine and that Windows program you need to use won't work with it. Have you tried Crossover? That's like Wine but works well for some people. That might keep you from needing to install Windows. Although you said the program is a development engine, so it might not work in Crossover but it's worth a try. They have a free trial:

    If that won't work,

    First, you need a USB flash drive because Bootcamp Assistant can't write the Bootcamp Windows drivers to a DVD that already has Windows on it.

    Then just follow the Bootcamp Assistant instructions below, here is the instructions from Apple, and below is a third party instructions with full photos of every step (but the first - check Install Windows and Download Windows Setup Software, leave Create A Bootable Windows Flash Drive unchecked if you are using a Windows DVD - check it only if you are using a Windows ISO on the hard drive):

    If you are looking at the step by step pictures, ignore the part about the OS X disc at the end if you are on 10.7 or 10.8 since there are no discs, the Bootcamp drivers will be on the flash drive but you do have to install them using the setup.exe file on the flash drive once Windows is installed.
  17. yaddam205 macrumors member

    Mar 20, 2008

    Apple needs to update bootcamp assistant for the new haswell chips.

    I took this from the apple support forums. It's a little odd, but works flawlessly.

    - Put a copy of windows 64 bit iso on desktop
    - Ran bootcamp wizard and selected create boot disk and download latest software (not sure exact wording but you get the idea)
    - Ran bootcamp wizard again and only selected downloaded latest software
    - Ran bootcamp wizard again and choose install windows

    Why you have to install/download the windows drivers twice I have no idea, but it works.

    Good luck.
  18. jwjsr macrumors 6502


    Mar 15, 2012
    Fairhope, Alabama
    Once you get installed how do you "dual boot"
  19. KdParker macrumors 601


    Oct 1, 2010
    Use the Apple drivers that should have been created with boot camp.

    1) Just use your keyboard to type in the password for windows. (you can use tab and arrow keys to get around)

    2) open explorer - (ctrl e)

    3) navigate to drivers and run the setup.

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