Boot Camp Limitations?

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  1. notintheleast macrumors 6502

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    I'll be starting school this January for an associate's degree in CIT. I plan on getting a notebook to bring back and forth from school.

    After being a Mac user for the past two years I don't ever want to go back to windows... unless I have to. From what I can tell we will be using windows for the most part at school.

    My question is, if I get a MBP with Boot Camp and Windows installed, will there be anything limitations to what I can do in boot camp or is it just like using a regular PC with Windows installed?

    (Sorry if this is a silly question. I did some Googleing and couldn't find any straight answers.)

    Thanks!
     
  2. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    Limitations... only on the hardware. Except in the Mac Pro. There you can install whatever you want.

    Software-wise you can do anything.
     
  4. notintheleast thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for the speedy replies folks. Sounds like I might have a MBP by the end of the year. :D

    Thanks again!
     
  5. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    No BIOS menu, so you have to use Apple's hard-wired BIOS[1] settings.

    [1] The BIOS is emulated.
     
  6. eleven2brett macrumors regular

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    Right click on the unibody is freaky, makes it hard to game with just a trackpad.
     
  7. notintheleast thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Please excuse my ignorance, but what effects could this have? Does it prevent any actions in windows?
     
  8. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    not really

    the bios is a useful tool if you are used to overclocking, setting up boot priority, etc



    in short if you had to ask about bios, it wont affect you at all
     
  9. notintheleast thread starter macrumors 6502

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  10. kockgunner macrumors 68000

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    The most limiting thing would be drivers. The trackpad under Boot Camp doesn't work as well as in OS X, mainly right click and when you put more than one finger on it at which point it may go spasmic. Sometimes, hibernating doesn't work either and the computer will still be on when the lid is closed, but other than that it's the same as a PC.
     
  11. Consultant macrumors G5

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    1. You don't game with trackpad.

    2. Apple's trackpad are typically 2 to 3 times the size of wintel laptop trackpads. Which means trackpad is more accurate on Macs.
     
  12. MVApple macrumors 6502a

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    That makes absolutely zero sense. The size of the trackpad has nothing to do with the accuracy of the trackpad under windows or Apple's capability to write drivers for it. People need to seriously stop making excuses for Apple.

    The truth of the matter is that while you can run windows on a Macbook Pro, the experience is less than ideal. I find it hard to believe that a company like Apple can't write a driver for their trackpad. It's absolutely horrendous using the trackpad under windows. Often times I have to click 3-4 times for a click to register.

    Also, the keyboard light does NOT turn off under windows, it will always be on at the lowest setting. It's not a huge deal but really, why is it so hard to have the keyboard light turn off?

    The computer also gets VERY hot under windows. I haven't tested battery life but I can't imagine its very good with all the heat coming off of this thing.

    Another issue is the wireless card interfering with the sound card. Windows Vista checks for wireless networks every 60 seconds or so, so every 60 seconds you get a lag spike (terrible if you're online playing games) and you always get sound crackling through speakers or headphones thats very annoying whenever your listening to anything whether it be a movie, playing a video game, or simply listening to music. Using a program called Vista Anti Lag seems to resolve this for the most part. I have windows Vista on my cheap Toshiba laptop and I get no such issue. From what I found out, it happens to several Vista users that have poorly written drivers for their wireless cards. It may be that these are users that upgraded to Vista and manufacturers of their wireless cards never bothered to properly update the drivers but I'm speculating. All I can say for sure is that the four windows machines I've used, 3 laptops and one desktop have had no such issue but they were built with Vista pre-installed from the manufacturer. The exception of course is the Macbook Pro.

    Another big issue which I think is related to the erratic trackpad behavior, but still not sure, is being unable to type properly. If I'm typing anything, all of a sudden my mouse cursor will jump, highlight something else and I'll consequently type over it or delete an entire paragraph. I hit "control z" to undo it but its highly annoying. I think this happens if you have "tap to click" enabled. My palm maybe rubs against the trackpad and registers it as a click or something. I can't reproduce this when I rub my palm on the trackpad though but the trackpad drivers under window are more erratic than a drunken britney spears. I disabled "tap to click" so I'll have to see if I can type on it now.

    Another issue is that VMware runs slow under OS X. I have a new unibody macbook pro with 2gb of ram. I'm trying to run Word and Powerpoint along with Chem Sketch and while it does run it is "laggy". I was hoping it would be smooth but its not. Don't get me wrong, it'll get the job done but it won't be smooth.

    I'm really enjoying OS X and I love a lot of the features it has that windows doesn't. For example, I like how you can maximize safari to the optimal width by hitting the "+" button. Whereas windows it just fills the entire screen needlessly.

    Even so I'm somewhat regretting my Macbook Pro purchase. It's an amazing machine but I bought this with the expectation that "boot-camp" would make Windows Vista work at least as well as on my cheap Toshiba laptop. Some of the issues I described have been going on for months, since last generations macbook pro. And Apple has just shrugged their shoulders.

    I'm starting a masters program in January that consists of online classes and some software will be windows only but its supposed to run under vmware. I don't know what the software is but if its real intensive its going to be laggy I bet. I'm pretty sure teachers will want everything as a word/powerpoint/excel file so unless I want to buy office again I'll have to use windows or deal with the slowdown in fusion. They should accept files as pdf's but perhaps they want to make corrections and will want the word document format. They have also notified us that a website we'll be using is not supported under Safari. Of course if I want to watch a blu-ray movie or play a video game, those are really windows activities so its back to windows.

    Anyways, the short is that Mac OS X is really amazing, but personally I'm feeling the pinch a bit as far as what I want to do. The Macbook Pro is an amazing machine and the screen is absolutely beautiful. The screen on the Macbook Air is also very nice, but the screens on the Macbook's are complete trash when compared to ANY similar sized windows notebook at almost any price point.

    If you do decide to go Mac, know that windows will run on it but it won't run as well as a machine that was made just for windows. And the reason is simply that Apple doesn't have enough interest to get the drivers working correctly. Hardware wise the Macbook Pro is amazing along with OS X.
     
  13. Mackan macrumors 65816

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    I fully agree. Apple will never put enough effort into making Windows work as well as it does on other PC's. I can understand it, but it also stinks a bit.
     
  14. Nordichund macrumors 6502

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    I have the Oxford full English dictionary on DVD for Windows and it will NOT run when using Boot Camp. This is due to some copy protection file on the dictionary. It will run on any average PC, but as the support people say at Oxford, "We do not support anything Mac" and they don't. Very irritating. Fortunately there are a lot of dicitionaries on the net.
    The frustrating thing is that since so many students are now using Macs, you would have thought the Oxford University press would offer a Mac version. Talk about living in the past.

    The great thing about the OED is that it's very good for settling arguments about words.
     
  15. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    If I may, I'd like to respond grubgafflingly.

    I've googled around a bit and it looks like the electronic OED
    may use the very much despised "C-Dilla" (a.k.a. SafeCast?).
    This software is said (I don't know if it's true) to muck about
    with disk sector 33.

    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1152025,00.asp

    On a typical PC drive, the sector is very likely to be unused.
    There's usually a gap between the 512K boot sector and the
    first sectors of the first filesystem. That isn't the case with
    an OS X GPT partitioned disk. There's no gap. What you have
    instead is the GUID Partition Table.

    Note: this isn't a problem on a Mac if you let Windows have
    a drive all to itself. In that case you don't need GPT partitioning.
     
  16. tedfox macrumors newbie

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    could you please tell me how exactly you enabled tap to click in windows under boot camp? thanks.
     
  17. Nordichund macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for explaining that to me, I really do appreciate it. Yes the OED does use C-Dilla. Horrible! I wouldn't waste a a whole drive for Windows.
     
  18. troublesomekila macrumors member

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    I game with the trackpad, and the only limitation is probably the trackpad
     
  19. The Flashing Fi macrumors 6502a

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    I personally think Apple intentionally doesn't put out decent drivers. Not having Tap to Click in Windows is rediculous. In fact, almost unexcusable. Even laptops from 1995 running Windows 95 have tap to click!

    But I think Apple provides drivers that work. By work, I mean they don't crash Windows, but they provide very BASIC functionality.

    I think Apple does this to intentionally make the Windows experience unenjoyable. I think they do it to keep their users "true" to Apple. Even with all the negative crap about Vista, it's literally not as bad as everyone says it is. If you have good drivers, you really shouldn't run into any problems.

    The severity of problems I have with Vista are as severe as they are with Mac OS X.

    The graphics drivers for the 8600M GT in Leopard SUCK. An 8600M GT 128 mb should be able to handle the wallpaper changer without ANY problems with the translucent menu bar on and the 3D dock. If I disable the translucent menubar and enable the 2D dock, desktop performance is great (but it requires a restart so that the Core API crap is disabled for the menubar).

    If an Intel GMA X3100 can handle it, why can't an 8600M GT?

    I love Mac OS X, but there shouldn't be any excuse for this. Just like it shouldn't have taken 6 updates to fix some of the airport issues in Mac OS X.

    I really wish people would bring up a class action lawsuit to get Apple to step up to boot camp problems and problems with Mac OS X. It worked for Nvidia when they were providing half-functional Vista drivers 6-8 months after Vista's release. Their driver quality improved a TON after the class-action lawsuit. I think Apple needs some negative exposure. I think they've grown content, and they're taking advantage of its customers.
     
  20. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    It would be nice to think that Apple would put more effort into
    Boot Camp. On the one hand they make it part of their Mac
    advertising:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html

    On the other, they seemingly (I say "seemingly" because I've
    only heard this from others) deny responsibility when it does
    not work as it should. This ambiguity in their approach is not
    what I expect from them.
     
  21. Supaklaw macrumors regular

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    Well I'm a long time Apple user, and on the flip side my laser printer worked under Tiger, and now under Leopard it's having comm errors. Under windows it auto-recognized the printer and installed the drivers so I have to use Bootcamp to print.
     

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